Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 3

[Viviennemary]

A new thread and book not even published till Tuesday. I checked on Amazon and its only 12th on the non fiction bestseller list. Doesn't show Earl Spencer in a very good light imho.

Oh it does cast doubt indeed, massive doubt. Spencer has made an absolute fool of himself.

Explain to me the problem with the kids and the fence please?

It will be our business when China owns all the mineral rights to make all the things needed for modern life.

'Maybe the financial aid given over decades should be offset against any reparations? Seems fair to me'

Exactly.

Nice of you, though, to decide that the status quo should simply be preserved rather than engaging with the perfectly legitimate debate about whether the Commonwealth remains useful and relevant, what it costs, and what purpose it serves. The willingness to question established institutions rather than simply accepting them is surely a sign of a healthy democracy.

Of curse there is a perfectly legitimate debate to be had about the ongoing utility and value of international governmental organisations in the current geopolitical climate. Unlike you however, I think that is a matter for the states themselves to decide, rather than their views and desired outcomes being assumed by a commentator on Mumsnet.

@foxylady2
It wasn’t just that William wouldn’t dare try it -
the entire Welsh investiture was invented on the spot for Charles !
Made up .

So much for ‘ancient’ traditions . A load of baloney . All those Disneyesque costumes gaudy gold coach - a couple of hundred years old if that .
Bread and circuses for when the population was getting ideas from the French .
The latest version is sub- influencer reels on insta - big mistake .

'It’s a very slimmed down monarchy right now'

Which is what we want, yes?

So we should be stopping independent nations from making deals ? How exactly are we to do that ?

The UK is a country in decline . We haven’t been internationally important for a very long time .
If they wanted us to be doing the ‘exploiting’ again they could do so .

Respecting another culture doesn't require suspending your own judgement about a particular ceremony. You can understand and respect the tradition while still thinking that the visual symbolism looks distinctly out of place in the 21st century.

It would be helpful then if you can list out all the global ceremonies that you find outdated and uncomfortable from an Eurocentric viewpoint and should be phased out or not platformed by the relevant local cultures? And then tell us why this is different to the Victorian view of the world of Europeans imposing their advanced civilisations over barbarous local traditions?

Posters like this one never join the dots.

They are thrilled that someone has poked the RF…but don’t grasp that, in the wider picture, there are serious implications for Briltain and the West.

Historians have been warning for decades that this century will be dominated by China in the way the last was by the US, and as you say, one thing they want a monopoly on is heavy earth metals on which our current existence depends.

But hey! Someone had a go at the royals, so what’s not to like?

Oh I didn't know that I though it was some centuries old tradition baked in imperial glory rather than a tawdry event to satisfy young Charles desire for a cut priced Coronation.

I think Charles loathed the whole thing actually. But let’s make things up!

Easily done
Smoke and mirrors with that lot .

@foxylady2 and @Ukisgaslit

I hate to break this to you both, but there’s more to all this than the RF!🙄

It’s a big, unstable world out there but you seem blinkered by an unbelievably narrow and petty perspective.

@CoffeeCantata

Whether Charles wanted the made up nonsense ‘investiture’ or not is beside the point .
He did it .
That’s the point .

And he gave William the stolen Prince of Wales’ title

Could have asked the Welsh if they wanted him imposed couldn’t he ?

Now that would have been ‘modern’ - we are always told they are ‘modernising’ but never seem to and keep taking more from us each year regardless.

That’s not true actually.

The investiture in Wales was a creation of the 20th century yes, but it wasn’t “invented on the spot for Charles”. The precedent there was (the later) Edward VIII in 1911 - I’ve attached a photo of the event.

Prior to this the investitures of the Prince of Wales took place before parliament. There were particularly elaborate ceremonies for James I's sons: Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, was invested before Parliament in 1610, and his younger brother (the future Charles I) was similarly invested in 1616 after his older brother died of typhoid. The Wars of the Roses and the distinct lack of male heirs in Tudor times meant there hadn’t been any for any many decades before that!

It's fascinating isn't it. We've had a couple of posters parroting 'pro monarchy' bot accusations when most of us have actually just reasonably focused on hypocrite Spencer amd his gaffes. Yet ironically the anti royalty attacks are coming thick and fast

The thread is about Spencer's trashy blabfest book!

No one is blinkered

The future is China’s and India’s

The Windsors being removed from their PR ‘head of commonwealth’ nonsense reflects reality .

You need to google a bit longer @serenster .
Yes there was an investiture in early 20th century for similar political reasons . To quell a politically restless nation .

Charles’ ceremony bore little resemblance .
It was completely revamped .

The Windsors being removed from their PR ‘head of commonwealth’ nonsense reflects reality .

Funny, I look around and see Charles is still currently the head of the Commonwealth though? Are you sure you are living in reality?

I am also very amused at your sneering that some of the UK monarchy’s traditions are “a couple of hundred years old if that”. You do realise that that means they will predate almost all the traditions of the United States then, seeing as that is just celebrating it’ 250th year as a state?

Thank you but I’ll take my existing knowledge over yours any day.

If you say so, dear.

You have a very parochial view of world events- it shows up in your posts which just cannot rise above the fact that the UK is a constitutional monarchy. Diddums.

What are you yourself doing to change that? Er, that’s a rhetorical question, btw.

I was referring to the future @Serenster If you re read you’ll see I referred to Charles’ appointment.

They will not impose William on the commonwealth .
He’s not interested in any case .

Me too. I don’t think this pp is well-informed and they have only one motivation for what historical knowledge they do have!

Oh, you are psychic? I hadn’t realised.