Can we allow Harry and Meghan a clean sheet

[Noras]

Just that really.

When they come back should we just judge them by their future behaviour, not the past and try to be positive.

After the events of the last few days with Jason Arday it might help the RF if the media and social media allowed them to get on with things in a positive way. Frankly the only person who should be aggrieved is the Princess of Wales and maybe the King but he clearly want peace now what with his illness.

Let’s see if they can be positive and an asset to the UK and the RF.

You need to watch the interview. However, if you think they're above reproach there's really nothing more to say.
Would you like to buy a bridge?.

A clean sheet regarding what? They are two private citizens. They are related to the royal family, but they have nothing to do with the work of the royal family or the King. They will not be working royals, as in they will have no role in representing the British head of state or the British state. I'm sure they will try to present themselves as quasi-royals in some kind of rival court, scraping odd jobs through their "office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex" and that squiggly crown symbol they use without permission from the Crown, but they are nothing to do with the institutions of the United Kingdom and will never again have anything to do with them. They can therefore not be considered an asset to the royal family or the United Kingdom because whatever they plan to do has absolutely nothing to do with the royal family or the British state.

It's not clear to me what things you expect them to be getting on with.

Some people just won't believe that they lied.

I made no judgment. Simply stated an opinion of an action.

??? When King Charles dies, William will be King and I'm sure he'll be able to give George any advice he requires. What makes you think Harry would or wants to be involved?

As for the line of succession, why would he be removed? The Royal line is littered with rapists and murderers, many of whom become king, and I've never heard of Harry being accused of a crime. Dear old Andrew is still sitting pretty.

Well it seems you won't allow others a similar privilege.

Abso-fucking-lutely not. They are awful people.

Clean sheet from me.
If only to see Piers Morgan combust.

They won't get it though.
They'll be hounded.
Why?
Take MN. We have had five fevered threads on them.
They are click bait.
Press know that hence the continued coverage.
I feel sorry for them.
I did back then and I still do.
I wish them 🍀. They are going to need it.

Little public support. Vitriol from many quarters.
Reverse culture shock.
Rapprochement for a prodigal son will not necessarily be forthcoming.
They will soon find who their real remaining friends are.
Estrangement and family feuds are painful and hard to get over. I do not judge. Two things can be true at once and hurt people hurt people. Adverse childhood experiences are real. Trauma can be intergenerational.
Nothing is black/white and anyone who cannot see both sides haven't read enough into it or been through it themselves.

I wish them well because it is going to be hard and time doesn't heal. As a pp has pointed out, they'll be damned no matter what they do and the press are unlikely to take a neutral stance - the public gets what the public wants and much of the time, that's a pitchfork or a conspiracy theory.

This is a very impassioned statement. It's also based on a serious misunderstanding. Harry and Meghan have landed nothing on the monarchy. The monarchy is not at risk because of them. They are insignificant in the broader scheme things and will be a very short section - not even a chapter - in the modern history of the British monarchy.

I'm not sure why so much ire towards the King. If he wants to see his daft son and backstabbing daughter-in-law in private, it's up to him. Why on earth do you think you can tell him what to do in his private life?

This.

I for one would love to know the real reason for them returning to the racist U.K. !
Suppose we will find out eventually.

I don't think I can tell him.what to do in his private life.

I was trying to make the point that what he does in his private life relating to H will be used by the commentariat to bash him.

My guess is they have run out of money.

They will still have the income from H's trust funds, but no capital. So will very soon 'decide' to sell Montecito because the UK is now so wonderful and this is their forever home.

That will, hopefully, pay the costs of his lost court cases. They can then live off the trust funds.

The commentariat who bash an elderly man for meeting his daft son and innocent grandchildren in private every now and then are nincompoops and should be ignored.

But they won't be. There are clicks and money in headlines about William being furious about his dad inviting H to this and that, or KC3 being mean for not inviting H to this and that.

Every year there's been the Balmoral/Sandringham will-they-won't-they which keeps the clicks coming, and many a MN thread rolling. From now on it will be that on steroids.

Somehow, KC3/ Dad managed to keep the last visit private. I hope whatever carrot or stick he wielded then is good for ongoing, unleaking relations between him and H.

ETA " unleaking"

No - I think these two have just run out of options, and $$$$'s

Hope they stay away from the press and she stops merching from being 'royal'
Hope the kids find happiness - not their fault who their parents are.

I never trust anyone who says “trust me”.

Personally I’ve been wondering whether Harry has pushed her into submission because he is so unhappy. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they aren’t separated ahead of a divorce within the decade if not sooner. He wants to be at home and her clawing her way to the top through her extraordinary skill for social hustling has reached its zenith.

Good luck with the clean sheet and conservative media coverage.

I think how they are or are not integrated into the royal family will set the tone for how the media and general public will accept them back in the UK.

Even if Harry and Meghan completely stepped out of the spotlight tomorrow, people who are parasocially invested in them would not stop talking.

A good example is when Meghan wasn't seen or posting anything recently for several weeks, people didn't stop speculating and gossiping about her.

in not making the argument but many are that eg was hounded by the press and Meghan’s camp have argued the same.

I am neutral - just asking a question

Somethings once said cannot be unsaid

she was celebrated welcomed more than catherine was she was NOT hounded by the press like diana camilla and catherine no matter what they claim They never stopped her from working she wasnt chased in the streets upskirted, photos taken of her topless yes the British press said things and some people lost jobs (quite rightly so) but the intensity the frenzy wasnt there they have been quite rightly criticised for their own actions even recently short trip to the UK has been filled with leaks moans and groans for an essentially damp squib of a visit no one camped out by the kings house with a long lens to get photos nothing just a whole load of will she come wont she and she doesn't feel safe yadda yadda press intrusive yadda yadda security SECURITY fucking nonsense honestly its pathetic I don't want to hear about her/his complaints again they literally said Portugal was where kids could be kids so why here why flipping now

She wasn't hounded diana was hounded catherine was hounded even camilla was hounded meghan was not

Sure, Jan.

They've decided to return to the UK. Them.

Can you point to where they were invited back?
BP have clearly stated this is a personal decision and there will be no change to their status (as non working Royals).

Lovely to see you once again bringing the worst of the SS Reddit rumours over here.

Here in Williams own words THIS is being hounded

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdx4Cro3/