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Dan Wootton obsessed with H &M

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BeverleyMakka · 22/07/2026 15:16

Why is Dan Wootton so obsessed and full of hatred for Harry & Meghan?

i recently listened to Spare on audible - purely because it was free and I was interested to see what he had to say. ( most of it was boring self indulgent crap imo)
predictably the algorithms have filled my YouTube with H &M stuff!

it seems there is a daily barrage of videos from DW about them, such vitriol from this man. It’s unhinged!
I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of theirs at all but Jesus he acts like they murdered his granny.
He’ll post a picture of one of them literally smiling and turn it into a massive conspiracy theory about smirking at the Queen on her deathbed or some utter nonsense

rant over!!!

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jeffgoldblum · 23/07/2026 18:02

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 17:59

From the ANL court case we can see how dodgy the Byline times are. I wouldn’t mind anything they wrote

Extremely shady , very dodgy and funded by some very unsavoury characters!

jeffgoldblum · 23/07/2026 18:04

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 18:02

All funded by Max Mosley’s shady money

Max Mosleys shady money that came from his Nazi father in fact!!

Waryandwearyfactorten · 23/07/2026 18:04

MrsLeonFarrell · 23/07/2026 17:32

I don't find Andrew Lownie any different from any other royal biographer. He just had the sense to pick AMW as his subject so gained botha veneer of being different from those who write about the rest of the family and real, dramatically awful, stuff to write about. Most royal biographies are stuck with over analysing very old conversations for drama.

I am very surprised that you hold that opinion tbh, although I understand why some royalist posters would jump on any opportunity to discredit Lownie, given what his dogged research has revealed, but it’s completely ludicrous imho to compare him to the likes of someone like Dan Wootton,

For a start, Lownie has a respected track record of writing serious books on major historical figures with hidden lives: https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/collections/author-books-by-andrew-lownie

So his research interests stretch far beyond that of the RF.

But Lownie’s main interest, as a historian, literary agent and as a campaigner for the freedom of information, is the preservation of accurate historical records. He also is a monarchist who holds the belief that there are certain less than optimum activities by AMW and certain financial factors being covered up by the current royal family and he genuinely feels that the UK deserves better.

As you can see from the link below, when Lownie wrote about Mountbatten, it cost him £500,000 in legal fees when the University of Southampton who had just bought the Mountbatten archive for a large sum so that they could be preserved as a matter of public record, refused him access to them. Funnily enough the other sides costs were paid by the Cabinet Office. Strange that!

The papers didn’t even contain anything particularly interesting or revealing but Lownie basically had to remortgage his house and continued to fight the case on a matter of principle, which demonstrated immense determination and integrity.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03064220221144908

Andrew Lownie Books | Biographies & Historical Tales

Discover the meticulously researched and compellingly written books by Andrew Lownie. Explore fascinating biographies and historical narratives at great prices.

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/collections/author-books-by-andrew-lownie

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 18:05

jeffgoldblum · 23/07/2026 18:04

Max Mosleys shady money that came from his Nazi father in fact!!

Which came from the actual nazi’s

jeffgoldblum · 23/07/2026 18:08

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 18:05

Which came from the actual nazi’s

Exactly!!! , follow the money! It inevitably leads to the truth, however I’m amazed after all that was exposed about byline that anyone would support them now! 😬

Boxfrog · 23/07/2026 18:20

He is a content creator making money so he needs an audience and topics. It's what he does. He isn't doing it for a hobby. M&H will get him a lot of traffic. He probably doesn't care that much. Gosh after reading a few things lately I do worry about people and how naive and out of touch they are.

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 18:40

All that PR and Meghan still only has 4.7m followers, despite the daily PR push around their UK visit.

Princess and Prince of Wales’s 17.4m
Serena Williams 17.8m
Jennifer Garner 17.2m

They just can’t translate all those PR headlines into followers and cash.

IndefatigableSusan · 23/07/2026 18:54

LipglossAndLies · 23/07/2026 18:01

Only have to see some of the recent comments from people saying where is amegahn, I wish she had shown up in the UK so there would content to ridicule her over.

As you say OP people like Dan and on other forums and here need it, like they need oxygen to breathe. I find it utterly pathetic, rehashing things from years ago. They can't let it go, as though somehow they have been personally hurt by them.

How sad does a person's life have to be to be constantly thinking about someone they don't know and then constantly writing or producing negative comments, videos, articles about them often over the most trivial of things. As ever living rent free in their heads. Sometimes I wonder if these people will be bashing out their nasty comments up until the moment they pass away such is the obsession at times.

I didn’t know that Byline Times was funded by Nazi money but I imagine this guy’s obsession was fueled by that. Their sole purpose was to destroy him, right?

IndefatigableSusan · 23/07/2026 18:57

Treetreetreetree · 23/07/2026 17:58

Not at all. Excellent reporting.

But as a sister* poster has said, he was cleared of their accusations?

*(what is the female version of fellow?)

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 19:44

The byline times shenanigans were revealed at the ANL trial, faking news headlines to give some of the plaintiffs a way to get around time limitations. Bunch of shady crooks, funded with Nazi money

Waryandwearyfactorten · 23/07/2026 20:04

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 18:40

All that PR and Meghan still only has 4.7m followers, despite the daily PR push around their UK visit.

Princess and Prince of Wales’s 17.4m
Serena Williams 17.8m
Jennifer Garner 17.2m

They just can’t translate all those PR headlines into followers and cash.

A strange way to rate someone’s value if you ask me! Who cares how many followers someone that you don’t know personally has, or has not, got?

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 20:18

Waryandwearyfactorten · 23/07/2026 20:04

A strange way to rate someone’s value if you ask me! Who cares how many followers someone that you don’t know personally has, or has not, got?

If you’re trying to build a brand or business, it matters. For all headlines Liam and his predecessors generate on her behalf, people don’t want to follow her on IG, watch her shows or buy her jam.

It matters to Netflix, it matters to her. It’s a commercial measurement of her ‘followers’ on Instagram.

MrsLeonFarrell · 23/07/2026 21:49

Waryandwearyfactorten · 23/07/2026 18:04

I am very surprised that you hold that opinion tbh, although I understand why some royalist posters would jump on any opportunity to discredit Lownie, given what his dogged research has revealed, but it’s completely ludicrous imho to compare him to the likes of someone like Dan Wootton,

For a start, Lownie has a respected track record of writing serious books on major historical figures with hidden lives: https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/collections/author-books-by-andrew-lownie

So his research interests stretch far beyond that of the RF.

But Lownie’s main interest, as a historian, literary agent and as a campaigner for the freedom of information, is the preservation of accurate historical records. He also is a monarchist who holds the belief that there are certain less than optimum activities by AMW and certain financial factors being covered up by the current royal family and he genuinely feels that the UK deserves better.

As you can see from the link below, when Lownie wrote about Mountbatten, it cost him £500,000 in legal fees when the University of Southampton who had just bought the Mountbatten archive for a large sum so that they could be preserved as a matter of public record, refused him access to them. Funnily enough the other sides costs were paid by the Cabinet Office. Strange that!

The papers didn’t even contain anything particularly interesting or revealing but Lownie basically had to remortgage his house and continued to fight the case on a matter of principle, which demonstrated immense determination and integrity.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03064220221144908

I'm not trying to discredit him at all. I Just don't see a particular difference between him and, say, Valentine Low whose book Courtiers was I feel equally well researched and fairly damning, imo, about the dependency of royals on their advisers.

To be clear I don't think of him at all in the same breath as Wotton, who is happy to make up scandals for clicks and who is obviously very biased in everything he says.

MrsLeonFarrell · 23/07/2026 21:53

Justdancevance · 23/07/2026 20:18

If you’re trying to build a brand or business, it matters. For all headlines Liam and his predecessors generate on her behalf, people don’t want to follow her on IG, watch her shows or buy her jam.

It matters to Netflix, it matters to her. It’s a commercial measurement of her ‘followers’ on Instagram.

Meghan doesn't post enough to build her follower numbers. Which is absolutely her choice and maybe she doesn't care about numbers. But if she wants to build her numbers she needs to post more, and sadly, probably more personally. That's what the really big celebrity influencers do, as opposed to people like Taylor Swift whose numbers are built elsewhere of course.

Bobbbb · 24/07/2026 10:47

LipglossAndLies · 23/07/2026 18:01

Only have to see some of the recent comments from people saying where is amegahn, I wish she had shown up in the UK so there would content to ridicule her over.

As you say OP people like Dan and on other forums and here need it, like they need oxygen to breathe. I find it utterly pathetic, rehashing things from years ago. They can't let it go, as though somehow they have been personally hurt by them.

How sad does a person's life have to be to be constantly thinking about someone they don't know and then constantly writing or producing negative comments, videos, articles about them often over the most trivial of things. As ever living rent free in their heads. Sometimes I wonder if these people will be bashing out their nasty comments up until the moment they pass away such is the obsession at times.

And yet here you are! “How ironic does someone’s life have to be to over all the threads, morning, noon and night, berating posters having a laugh and then attempting to defend the grandiose, delusional fools that you’ve never met”

PinkFridge · 24/07/2026 11:24

Meghan has just posted private photos of her family holidays this summer on her IG account. I don’t think you can get much more personally than that.

Waryandwearyfactorten · 24/07/2026 11:41

Bobbbb · 24/07/2026 10:47

And yet here you are! “How ironic does someone’s life have to be to over all the threads, morning, noon and night, berating posters having a laugh and then attempting to defend the grandiose, delusional fools that you’ve never met”

I think we all know it’s more than just a laugh though isn’t it?

I think posters try and justify their obsessive posting about Meghan in particular as “amusing” and “a bit of fun” when really it’s part obsession, part nasty glee, part cheap gossip and part racism.

There’s a long-running. thread on here which is in its 25th iteration about M&H’s supposed PR disasters; each of which contains about 1,000 posts presumably? Think of that! 25,0000 posts for what? To obsess and ridicule? You can justify that number of posts about the actions of an American president or some significant news story, but for two minor ex members of the British royal family? It’s frankly absurd and has gone too far.

The long-running thread about AMW ruining the monarchy has had nowhere near as many posts!

Meghan didn’t appear in public or even utter a word on her last visit to the UK and you’d think she had committed a federal crime from the way everyone was carrying on. At this point they are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

I honestly think people are using them as some sort of kicking post at this point to get rid of their own daily frustrations. Enough is enough.

threesocksmorgan · 24/07/2026 11:53

PinkFridge · 24/07/2026 11:24

Meghan has just posted private photos of her family holidays this summer on her IG account. I don’t think you can get much more personally than that.

they are really nice photos.

threesocksmorgan · 24/07/2026 11:54

Waryandwearyfactorten · 24/07/2026 11:41

I think we all know it’s more than just a laugh though isn’t it?

I think posters try and justify their obsessive posting about Meghan in particular as “amusing” and “a bit of fun” when really it’s part obsession, part nasty glee, part cheap gossip and part racism.

There’s a long-running. thread on here which is in its 25th iteration about M&H’s supposed PR disasters; each of which contains about 1,000 posts presumably? Think of that! 25,0000 posts for what? To obsess and ridicule? You can justify that number of posts about the actions of an American president or some significant news story, but for two minor ex members of the British royal family? It’s frankly absurd and has gone too far.

The long-running thread about AMW ruining the monarchy has had nowhere near as many posts!

Meghan didn’t appear in public or even utter a word on her last visit to the UK and you’d think she had committed a federal crime from the way everyone was carrying on. At this point they are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

I honestly think people are using them as some sort of kicking post at this point to get rid of their own daily frustrations. Enough is enough.

and now she has posted some photos they are being ridiculed.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 24/07/2026 12:01

Waryandwearyfactorten · 24/07/2026 11:41

I think we all know it’s more than just a laugh though isn’t it?

I think posters try and justify their obsessive posting about Meghan in particular as “amusing” and “a bit of fun” when really it’s part obsession, part nasty glee, part cheap gossip and part racism.

There’s a long-running. thread on here which is in its 25th iteration about M&H’s supposed PR disasters; each of which contains about 1,000 posts presumably? Think of that! 25,0000 posts for what? To obsess and ridicule? You can justify that number of posts about the actions of an American president or some significant news story, but for two minor ex members of the British royal family? It’s frankly absurd and has gone too far.

The long-running thread about AMW ruining the monarchy has had nowhere near as many posts!

Meghan didn’t appear in public or even utter a word on her last visit to the UK and you’d think she had committed a federal crime from the way everyone was carrying on. At this point they are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

I honestly think people are using them as some sort of kicking post at this point to get rid of their own daily frustrations. Enough is enough.

The Harry and Meghan posts on here always run to pages and pages! I can't think of what there is to say that many times! Re the Instagram posts- I only know about them because this came up on here. Otherwise I wouldn't have a clue. People are actively seeking out content to help annoyed about, and the press are following her Instagram and taking photos off it. No one forces them to do it.

Waryandwearyfactorten · 24/07/2026 12:04

threesocksmorgan · 24/07/2026 11:54

and now she has posted some photos they are being ridiculed.

Yes! And they are perfectly nice, non-controversial, holiday shots… .

Waryandwearyfactorten · 24/07/2026 12:05

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 24/07/2026 12:01

The Harry and Meghan posts on here always run to pages and pages! I can't think of what there is to say that many times! Re the Instagram posts- I only know about them because this came up on here. Otherwise I wouldn't have a clue. People are actively seeking out content to help annoyed about, and the press are following her Instagram and taking photos off it. No one forces them to do it.

Exactly!

lollibit · 24/07/2026 12:16

Dan has always been a gossipy little shit seeking " person". That's the nature of celeb crap.

LipglossAndLies · 24/07/2026 12:19

Bobbbb · 24/07/2026 10:47

And yet here you are! “How ironic does someone’s life have to be to over all the threads, morning, noon and night, berating posters having a laugh and then attempting to defend the grandiose, delusional fools that you’ve never met”

Im not on here day and night nor am i always berating posters and my posting history would back that up.

if you looked at the posting history of those on the threads that do they have been posting almost daily for years and rehashing old ground over and over, thats obsession.

Get you facts straight

LipglossAndLies · 24/07/2026 12:21

threesocksmorgan · 24/07/2026 11:54

and now she has posted some photos they are being ridiculed.

Expected as per usual, could be a multi millionaire if you could bet on their reactions. 😂