So why is Harry safe but not Meghan and the kids?

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Sorry if this is obvious/already discussed.. I can’t find it.

Im just wondering why Harry can do these ‘engagements’ but his wife and kids can’t step in the country.

Oh fhs. He did those things when he was twenty! He doesn’t do them now as a forty-one year old father of two.

By all accounts William had just as much a wild time as Harry but of course it was covered up much better because he was the heir.

I am sure lots of people do things in their twenties which they later regret and at least Harry has actually addressed his past sins publicly. But if you have the misfortune to be born royal then obsessive people with nothing better to do are still discussing them twenty years later!

How many times are you going to keep bringing them up? It’s a bit pathetic really.

The irony is that all of you who claim to support the monarchy are actually bringing it down by all of this endlessly negative on-line rhetoric and you can’t see it.

And the RF as a whole probably take a very dim view of people who hash over all the minute details of their lives endlessly and needlessly, as however divided they are among themselves, just like MPs, there is more cameraderie and understanding between all of them than there ever will be between them and us.

It’s us republicans who don’t give a toss about the institution who can actually be a bit more forgiving of the people trapped within it.

You are making some silly assumptions- there are plenty of us republicans on here out and proud who have zero interest or support any notion of a RF / monarchy.

I am being entertained watching a hilarious soap opera of two grandiose, delusional bullying fools, spouting hypocritical word salad nonsense almost daily and shooting themselves in the foot.
It’s delicious watching them get their karma directly from their own ignorant, arrogant and entitled words and actions. Figures of ridicule around the world for years now.

William is spending his own money to end homelessness? Really? If anything he is probably spending the interest on one of his many investments at best. I’m sure he won’t be left out of pocket that’s for sure.

And for William to claim his intention is to end homelessness, however genuine and sincere, it is frankly incredibly overblown and naieve. As anyone who works in homelessness will tell you, homelessness has a large number of complex causes, many of which are political.

As for the rest, I happened to look at one episode of H&M’s Netflix documentary last night for the first time. (It was too hot to sleep and I was bored.) And honestly I don’t think any of us can understand what it is like to be constantly in the public eye.

What Meghan went through when she and Harry were first going out was horrific. She had paparazzi in four to six cars parked permanently outside her house in Toronto night and day.

The paps had paid some of her neighbours to install cameras trained on her garden. One of them tried to break in. Another tried to climb the walls and look in her bathroom. She had photographers trying to get on to the set of Suits. So much so that they had to cage off all of the trailers where the actors stayed during filming. This was recalled by the producer btw, not her, who said it became dangerous and unpleasant. Then Meghan received death threats and had to employ private security.

At the same time the tabloids in the UK were making their nasty, racist “straight out of Compton” remarks and printing photographs of Doria taking bed covers to the laundrette accompanied by horrible remarks saying they weren’t classy enough to join the royal family. There was that awful tweet by that radio host depicting H&M’s child as a chimpanzee. The blatant racism on show was disgusting and the actual newspapers and articles were shown, this wasn’t Meghan recounting it. The attacks were blatantly classist and racist.

They made an interesting point in the documentary that the British tabloid world is incredibly white and only something like 0.3 % journalists are from ethnic minorities which explains a lot but still doesn’t excuse their disgusting behaviour.

So even if you believe that H&M are over-estimating their need for security now, I can totally understand why. You can’t go through something like that and not let it leave a mark on you, And particularly for Harry who saw his mother go through something similar but without the added racist nastiness,

I haven’t actually heard H or M say anything much during this latest trip so I don’t know what media outlets you are listening to?

And whatever your beliefs about the monarchy, if you find spouting endless negative words about two people you don’t know “delicious” then I feel sorry for you.

@WoodchipAnnie56 im intrigued why as a republican, you support Harry and Meghan,

They love everything and more about being royal. They want the titles, the bells and whistles, the security, the prestige. They just don’t want to work for it. They wanted titles for their children.

They are not low key like the Edinburghs or Anne, who didn’t have royal titles for their DCs.

I’ve never had a proper answer from my republican mother and it really intrigues me.

I can’t understand why a proper republican supports them. I really can’t.

Im not a royalist btw! It just makes me so confused, that a republican, would not see through them and makes me sceptical. I seriously do wonder at times, if I’m debating with my mother on here, with some posters, especially as she thinks Diana was murdered!

edit: sceptical is the wrong word but too early in the morning to think of a better one and my morning medication hasn’t taken effect yet. Apologies

I don't know, but it's reasonable to believe that the working royals like Princess Anne, The Duke & Duchess of Edinburgh AKA Edward & Sophie, not to mention the Prince & Princess of Wales all have security quietly in the background. Surely the whole point is that they're unobtrusive and we don't see them?

Part of Harry's problem was him yelling to the word that "I'm going to be here at this time and place and I don't have any security". He put himself at risk right there.

The royals probably have people assessing security all the time. So as they can go about their duties opening hospital wards or new-build housing estates. I would bet that if there was even an inkling of another kidnapping threat against The Princess Royal the 'powers that be' would be on it before she left Gatcombe in the morning.

I think the extent of the Toronto paparazzi chasing was all debunked, I don’t think there is one photo or video evidence of what Meghan claimed happened, it seems she was possibly trying to do a copycat version of the intrusion Catherine and Diana experienced (of which there is plenty of evidence). Don’t forget they had to use footage of a Harry Potter film premiere and a Katie Price court case as they had nothing even remotely as dramatic for Meghan.

She is now well known for embellishing and lying and I guess that is the first evidence of reality being very different to how she portrays it..

I don’t support them as such as I don’t know them. Nor do I approve of everything they have done. But on a basic human level I detest bullying. And I think they have come in for far more criticism than is warranted. Leaving and criticising the RF isn’t a crime. And the RF have hung Harry out to dry and protected AMW who has done far, far worse. Not good imho. It says a lot about the values of the institution.

And Harry didn’t do it wisely or well (although Spare I believe sold very well and even broke some publishing records) but at least he had the balls to speak out about some of the issues within the RF which institutionally is toxic the way the different offices brief against each other. I do believe that a lot of that is true. Even during this latest visit, quite a few respected journalists were saying they were receiving one set of briefings from William’s office and quite different ones from Charles,

Also, the racist headlines and newspaper cuttings they showed as examples of uk tabloid racism, turned out to not be Uk publications at all.

It was shocking the lies they made in that series to try to destroy the reputation of the UK and Harry’s family.

Those two have proven they are ultimate bullies, and we have very recent evidence again of how they operate as intimidators and oppressors.

@WoodchipAnnie56 thank you. id say Harry and Meghan are the bullies the way they went after Kate, so it’s interesting that you have a different take. Wouldn’t make for debate on a forum if everyone agreed.

I also think enough with AMW. Too many mistakes made there and should not be repeated with the next generations. Work for the firm or you are out. No made up roles for a royal. But I digress.

It’s good to be able to share different views in a reasoned way so thank you Recklessismymiddlename

Rushing because I have to work but …

The "Straight Outta Compton" remark about Meghan Markle originated from a November 2016 article published by the British tabloid Daily Mail. The controversial headline read, "Harry’s girl is (almost) straight outta Compton," and described her mother's Los Angeles neighborhood as "gang-scarred".

Meghan pointed out in the documentary not only had she never lived there so it was inaccurate as well as racist, but why pick on Compton itself?

And we all know why.

something like 0.3 % journalists are from ethnic minorities

this also is another statistic they pulled out of their ass to try to manipulate their audience, lots of the audience fell for the lies.

the truth is

Approximately 10% to 14% of UK journalists are from ethnic minority backgrounds, with white individuals making up the remaining 86% to 90% of the industry.

According to the 2021 Census data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), approximately 17% to 18%of the UK population identify with a minority ethnic background, meaning around 82% to 83% of residents identify as White.

by comparison the US

There are some 53,700 journalists in the United States, reports the American Society of Newspaper Editors. Of that number, 5,600 (a little over 10 percent) are minorities. A further breakdown reveals that 2,890 are African American, 1,587 are Hispanic, 983 are Asian, and 177 are American Indian.

Around 40% to 42% of the U.S. population belongs to a racial or ethnic minority group.

UK : 10% ethnic minorities in journalism in a population comprised of 17% of ethnic minorities.

US : 10% ethnic minorities in journalism in a population comprised of 40% of ethnic minorities.

A lot of that documentary has been debunked as fiction, and it was a clear spin to try to push their racist agenda.

That was from a US publication, and 99% of the UK population had never heard of Compton. (Unless you were a Serena or Venus fan and knew they were extremely proud of their Compton roots)

Thank you, @Arjan- it's always good to have facts in the face of the Sussex lies.

I’d heard of Compton as had many DM readers or else they wouldn’t have published that racist nasty headline pandering to them.

Absolutely this.

You haven’t actually heard them say an anything much this week!!!??? Where have you been….

Don’t need media outlets - get it all from the horses mouth….how about this?

Read the full statement from Harry and fellow claimant Baroness Doreen Lawrence here:
"We came to court seeking justice and accountability. But we have received neither. This judgment represents a complete reversal of the position which previous judges have taken in relation to the hacking claims successfully brought against both News Group Newspapers and Mirror Group Newspapers (who were represented by, at the time, the Judge who made this decision).
"Generic findings about various private investigators that were held by the Courts in these parallel claims to have carried out unlawful activity at the very same time in relation to similar stories and well-known individuals have been wholly ignored.
"The fact that this Court has chosen to dismiss them represents an inconsistency which is hard to understand or reconcile with common sense, or the evidence heard in the courtroom itself.
"It is a complete and obvious whitewash, but sadly not altogether unexpected.
"However, the lengths to which the court has gone to exonerate the Mail is as shocking as it is totally unwarranted.
"When the court says there is not sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, despite the documents showing otherwise, then one does wonder how justice was ever going to be achieved.
"One need not look past when a private investigator the Mail used actually admitted on tape to having unlawfully blagged Baroness Lawrence, or when a journalist recorded the name of the private investigators she used to find out about highly sensitive medical information (that even the Mail was too worried to publish) or when another private investigator emailed one of the journalists with the actual British Airways seat number and ticketing details for a young girl simply visiting her boyfriend in return for payment.
"It feels here like one rule for the newspapers and another for the claimants. While the Claimants presented evidence, Mail journalists simply gave denials, and the Court chose uncritically to believe them, even in the face of inconsistencies, contradictions and blatant untruths that were obvious to neutral observers in Court when compared to the documents.
"We presented to the court evidence which we believed was compelling at the time and remains so now.
"We would like to thank our legal team for all their hard work and all the witnesses who were brave enough to come forward in the pursuit of justice."

They're perfectly safe. It's not about security. It's about status.

Harry and Meghan lie, we know this is true, so I don’t understand why anyone just accepts their claims.

They want paid for security, they’ll say anything to get it as they don’t have the long term income streams to pay for it indefinitely.

On that point, I think it was really awful that the children were booed.

But I would like to point out that Republic were legitimately protesting at the Trooping of the Colour and the monarchy itself, not specifically at the children.

And Republic were, by their account, given very specific approved places to stand.

The RF know there are going to be protestors at every official event now and the children could have been installed near the podium before the parade, they didn’t have to sit in the carriages.

It’s not my style to boo at public events because it ruins it for others who want to enjoy the day, but I defend the right for Republic to do it when there are so few other legitimate means of protesting about the monarchy other than “write to your MP” who will only do something if others write and even then isn’t allowed any air time in the H of C. We all know the system is rigged in favour of a monarchy!

We know from the AMW debacle that it is virtually impossible to have matters related to the monarchy debated in Parliament indeed there are laws and conventions preventing this.

One monarch died and the next is proclamated before one can draw breath, without any reference to the people. After a seventy year reign no one stopped to think; hang on, maybe there should be some means whereby the people of the UK could have their say? How is that for democracy?

Harry needs to focus on finding the money to pay his bis own hefty legal bills.

I genuinely don't understand.
You support a republic?!
Yet you support Harry - who's entire life is about having royal privilege, without earning any of it?!
He's the ultimate royal. Arrogance, greedy, grasping. He expects the taxpayer to fund limitless security, because he is a Prince.
I'm genuinely flabbergasted! You're supporting the ultimate privileged royal!

Perhaps you should start a separate republican thread as it’s off topic on this one

It certainly is! We're talking about Prince Harry who is the very polar opposite to republicans!