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PR Disasters thread 20

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OctopusFriend · 02/07/2026 20:13

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Starryfifty · Yesterday 18:00

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 17:58

I don't see how any of them can visit the King now. They've messed him around so much that I wouldn't be at all surprised if his calendar is full now. I know mine would be.

If I were KC, I'd be filling that diary fairly quickly. Avoid. End of

BigWillyLittleTodger · Yesterday 18:03

RhannionKPSS · Yesterday 15:12

We all know what happened to Diana, she ending up with the inadequacy of that horrible man and his “ security “
Imo those children are the grandchildren of the King, and no matter what silly games their mother in particular are playing , they deserve to be safe if they visit the country they were born in.

Harry had his head turned by the American who I bet fooled him that they could live in Africa.
Harry would have then had the opportunity to work in protecting endangered animals, something I think he would have been excellent at.

What, these endangered animals?

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Starryfifty · Yesterday 18:04

The Spin is H coming alone on Monday then Meg and kids might follow ??? That makes no sense. Why can't they all come together?

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 18:07

Starryfifty · Yesterday 12:52

Zero talent. Zero personality. Zero wit. Zero likeabilty factor.

All they have is RF adjacency and ripping them to shreds. I have a feeling this is on the cards after this visit. Dad wants us dead. William refused to let lily and arch see his cousins, blah blah

Your first line reminds me of something Meghan said in one of her (billion) interviews or podcasts. I recall her saying, when she was safely ensconced in Montecito wearing luxury beige, that she felt really limited in wha she could do to make money because of who Harry is and the royalness of him and her children. I’m paraphrasing massively but the thrust of the message was this. Hence As Ever and utterly neutral, unobjectionable (unnoticeable, more like) jam and honey and candles.

I think this is another thing she will blame Harry for when the inevitable happens: she was held back in her prime, sacrificing her best years to earn mega bucks because of him and his family. Never mind big bucks were only ever via marriage anyway (going by her having set her sights on Rory mcilroy or Ashley Cole etc), and that the best shot she ever had in her life was via marriage to Harry. But it would be easy for her to spin an “if only” line - can’t be disproven 🤷‍♀️

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:08

Starryfifty · Yesterday 17:40

I hate to sound grim but this was most likely the absolute last chance for those kids to meet KC. He's an elderly man battling cancer. He's not long for this world. What mileage does a few images of Meghan and kids wailing at Diana's grave have ?

I’m not sure how much of a battle there is. KC is apparently responding so well to treatment that he’s expected to live out his natural life.

Could all be spin of course, but the truth is, we don’t and shouldn’t know the King’s prognosis.

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 18:09

Just reading the comments under Chris Ship's "breaking news" tweet – BRUTAL. I mean, they have a point. By Harry's logic, terrorists only live and work in London and don't know how to catch trains or drive to Birmingham.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:10

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 17:58

I don't see how any of them can visit the King now. They've messed him around so much that I wouldn't be at all surprised if his calendar is full now. I know mine would be.

He can always spend some quality time with the only family he hasn’t criticised!
andrew would probably like the company.

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 18:10

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:10

He can always spend some quality time with the only family he hasn’t criticised!
andrew would probably like the company.

😂

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:13

What I noticed from that Telegraph piece is that they had planned to spend a fortnight catching up with “friends and family”. I suspect there are a few names in the Sussex Rolodex who feel they may have dodged a bullet.

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · Yesterday 18:16

DaisyDooley · Yesterday 16:24

Ok. First thing first.
“Bitter fish to fry” is now logged in my menopausal brain to use asap and get int9 my vocabulary-thanks @AnAutumnCrow .
In the Telegraph piece (posted earlier ) the line that struck me was the ‘longed for reunion’. Who is longing for it? I really really don’t think it’s the King.
I don’t think he has time or the emotional energy to give to the Harry debacle. I expect most time is spent rolling his eyes and thinking ‘for fucks sake’.
He is busy doing all the King/head of state malarky, being a husband, Duke of Lancaster stuff, seeing William , Catherine, the children, Camilla’s children & grandchildren, his extended family, friends, time reading/painting/gardening, travelling, cancer treatment etc.
He’s not sat around bemoaning the loss of Harry and Harry’s children who he does not know.
The King does not need Harry and the endless drama he brings with his incessant complaining. It’s like an endless version of King Lear being performed at the circus. “How sharper than a serpents tooth it is to have a thankless child”. I feel so sorry for the King.
Well done to everyone who called it right that Meg and the kids wouldn’t be coming. I’ll look forward to this thread tonight which I will read while I have LadyC or Kinsey chatting in the background, glass of wine & some kettle crisps!

Sometimes families do suffer splits and life goes on. Of course Charles will think it's sad what has happened but think it is also probable that he accepts this. He's not a stupid man and he must see the chaos and hurt the pair of them have created. I don't think he will go out of his way to forge connections with them but I think I saw the word " weary" applied to him today in the press and surely this must be the case. I think his weary would be my fucked off.

Lunde · Yesterday 18:20

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:13

What I noticed from that Telegraph piece is that they had planned to spend a fortnight catching up with “friends and family”. I suspect there are a few names in the Sussex Rolodex who feel they may have dodged a bullet.

Eugenie will be devastated

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:21

Lunde · Yesterday 18:20

Eugenie will be devastated

🤣

IcedPurple · Yesterday 18:21

Lunde · Yesterday 18:20

Eugenie will be devastated

Isn't Eugenie due to give birth any day now? I doubt her whiny cousin is a priority for her right now.

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:22

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:13

What I noticed from that Telegraph piece is that they had planned to spend a fortnight catching up with “friends and family”. I suspect there are a few names in the Sussex Rolodex who feel they may have dodged a bullet.

Apart from Diana’s sisters and maybe Eugenie I cannot imagine which family members will want to see them .
Harry seems to have lost touch with most of his friends and , in any case , they are not going to want to alienate William .
Not sure Meghan has any friends in the U.K.
Harry really didn’t think this through did he ?

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:22

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:22

Apart from Diana’s sisters and maybe Eugenie I cannot imagine which family members will want to see them .
Harry seems to have lost touch with most of his friends and , in any case , they are not going to want to alienate William .
Not sure Meghan has any friends in the U.K.
Harry really didn’t think this through did he ?

Harry doesn’t think.

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:24

Lunde · Yesterday 18:20

Eugenie will be devastated

Beatrice and Eugenie ‘s coats are on a shoogly peg so I cannot imagine they will want to upset William .

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:30

Lunde · Yesterday 18:20

Eugenie will be devastated

They may already have been blessed with the Sussexes’ company in Portugal, @Lunde. I’m not at all convinced they actually own a built villa of their own. I suspect the rumour that they do was put about to boost sales of the Brooksbanks development. Just my opinion, I do not have receipts…

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:32

Ohpleeeease · Yesterday 18:30

They may already have been blessed with the Sussexes’ company in Portugal, @Lunde. I’m not at all convinced they actually own a built villa of their own. I suspect the rumour that they do was put about to boost sales of the Brooksbanks development. Just my opinion, I do not have receipts…

My thoughts exactly . Given the lack of upgrading to the Monteshitshow mansion I cannot see them splashing out millions on a villa in Portugal .
What about security??

Sophiecunninghamsfinger · Yesterday 18:34

AtIusvue · Yesterday 13:56

Telegraph reporting Meg and the kids NOT coming.

So the blackmail didn’t work or …they were never coming in the first place.

Telegraph:

‘The Duchess of Sussex, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet will not travel to London next week after a request for police protection was denied.
After 10 days of hand-wringing and uncertainty since the refusal, the Duke of Sussex has decided that it would not be safe to bring his family to the capital.
It remains unknown whether the Duke, who will fly solo to London on Monday, will accept the invitation to stay at a royal residence, as had been anticipated.
He is understood to be liaising directly with his father, with any plans to see each other made privately between them.
The 11th-hour decision throws his longed-for reunion between his children and their grandfather, the King, into doubt.

The Duke and Duchess at a previous Invictus Games event in 2022, in The Hague Credit: Remko de Waal/AFP via Getty
While the Duchess and the children will not come to London, the family has not ruled out the prospect of them travelling to Britain.
The Duchess had been due in Birmingham on Friday to join her husband at an Invictus Games engagement, an appearance that could go ahead.
Last-minute upset
Royal engagements are meticulously planned, with every minute scheduled weeks – if not months – in advance.
The five-day visit had been carefully programmed weeks in advance, but was thrown into disarray some 10 days ago with the late revelation that the Duke and Duchess would receive no taxpayer-funded police protection.
Only a day before Prince Harry returns to London for highly publicised charitable engagements, no one knows what is going on, himself included.
No longer working members of the Royal family, the Duke and Duchess are not beholden to the wider palace machinery and call their own shots.
The Duke’s schedule is not in doubt, but his family’s private plans are uncertain.
This was intended to be no normal return visit, of the kind he had been making solo for several years.
Instead, the Duke was bringing Prince Archie, seven, and Princess Lilibet, five, in the fervent hope that he might orchestrate a long-awaited reunion with the King. And the Duchess was expected to make her first return to the UK since 2022.
She was scheduled to accompany her husband on two public engagements to help promote the one-year countdown to the Invictus Games in Birmingham 2027, one at the Royal Hospital Chelsea, in London, and the event in Birmingham.
The family had hoped to travel en masse for around two weeks, the public engagements bookended with private time with friends and family.
Plans included a visit to Althorp, the Spencer family estate and resting place of the Duke’s late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.
But the security provision they had pinned their hopes on was denied, leaving the Duke in a quandary, repeatedly changing his mind about the best course of action, who to bring with him and where to stay.
He had planned to accept the invitation to stay at a royal residence, but the lack of security provision prompted last-minute jitters on that too.
One source said he had been promised safe passage in and out of the residence, which never materialised. The Palace denied this was ever on the table.
Regardless, alternative private accommodation was frantically being researched at the 11th hour.
Options and costs
The Duke received multiple briefings last week from his private security team, outlining his various travel options and the cost implications of each.
One was to stick to the original plan: to fly to London with his wife and children from Europe, where they are on holiday.
They could have accepted the offer to stay at a royal residence and Meghan and Harry could have proceeded with their engagements as planned.
Alternatively, the Duke could have flown in alone, followed by his wife and children a few days later.

The Duke and Duchess ceased to be working members of the Royal family in 2020. They are pictured here in Australia in 2018 Credit: Chris Jackson/Getty/Pool
A third option was for the Duke to plough on with his work while the rest of his family remained in Europe. Given his ardent wish for his children to meet their grandfather, whom they have not seen for four years, this remains the least-favoured option.
While the Duke is likely to return to the UK in September to attend the annual WellChild Award ceremony, his children will be back at school and there is no saying whether the King will be available.
Next week, therefore, was his best chance, which prompted a tug of war between heart and head.
On top of this, it had been announced that the long-awaited High Court ruling on the Duke’s privacy claim against the publisher of the Daily Mail would be handed down on Tuesday, just as he took to the stage for his first public engagement in the UK in ten months.
If he wins on just one of the 14 articles comprising his claim against Associated Newspapers Limited, he will deliver a victory speech from an as yet undisclosed location.
The timing is less than ideal.
Despite all the noise surrounding security and his relationship with his father, the Duke and his team had remained hopeful that in the moment, the attention would be on his charities: Invictus, WellChild and Scotty’s Little Soldiers.
Now, his arrival will be overshadowed by a significant court judgment that may or may not go his way.
London ‘unsafe’
In the event, the family decided to avoid London altogether, believing it unsafe. Any hopes of orchestrating a reunion now appear to rest with the King.
As the Duke weighed up his options, both his own team, and Buckingham Palace, were in the dark. He remained undecided on Saturday.
Meanwhile, Palace aides, already exasperated by Team Sussex’s decision to jump the gun and announce travel plans before anything was confirmed, were braced for a further week of drama.
Some believed the Duke had tried to use his children as a form of “emotional blackmail” to bounce the Home Office into giving him police protection. It was even alleged that he had never intended to bring the children.
The soap opera prompted plenty of eye-rolling and frustration that the real work was being overshadowed.
It was even claimed that the King was not desperate to build bridges with his son, although he would do so if that was what Harry wanted.
Other sources painted a different picture, insisting that the pair – who have met only twice in two years – would love to see each other and that the King would love to see his grandchildren.
While the monarch recognises the complex issues at play, family remains of the greatest importance. One source said he had “softened his stance” when it came to keeping a distance from his younger son, although it was not a decision he took lightly.
The deep anger and hurt felt by the Prince and Princess of Wales has certainly played a part, as have their fears about the further damage the Duke could do to the family.
But the King and the Duke of Sussex are on good terms, speaking frequently. Their private secretaries are also in more regular contact than some might imagine.
Come what may, the Duke will return alone to London next week.
Can he swallow his pride and bring his wife and children back to his homeland – at least to Birmingham if not to London – without police protection, despite claiming it was too dangerous?
He is running out of time to decide. For all the deep distrust on both sides, the security rows, the briefings and the counter-briefings, only time will tell whether the benefits ultimately outweigh the risk.’

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It's all just a load of tripe isn't it ?

Lifestooshort71 · Yesterday 18:37

(Had to google shoogly peg)

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:39

Chris ship has either inadvertently or purposefully revealed on “ talking royals “ ( sorry no link!) that ham received head of state level security in third world countries and the poor taxpayers of those countries would be the ones who paid!!! 😡 , either he is lying and thinks this is actually a good argument for why the U.K. should pay or it’s true and he still thinks it’s a good argument!!

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 18:41

Starryfifty · Yesterday 18:00

If I were KC, I'd be filling that diary fairly quickly. Avoid. End of

With tje helecopter tanked up and parked on the lawn and Camilla packed and ready to move.

IcedPurple · Yesterday 18:42

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:39

Chris ship has either inadvertently or purposefully revealed on “ talking royals “ ( sorry no link!) that ham received head of state level security in third world countries and the poor taxpayers of those countries would be the ones who paid!!! 😡 , either he is lying and thinks this is actually a good argument for why the U.K. should pay or it’s true and he still thinks it’s a good argument!!

Did he actually use the term 'third world'? Isn't it 'developing countries' these days?

The only country they've visited which could be described as such is Nigeria, a country where every visiting businessman gets an armed escort. Usually privately paid rather than publicly funded. H&M probably did get police protection there, but I doubt it was 'Head of State' level.

BasiliskStare · Yesterday 18:45

@jeffgoldblum "Chris ship has either inadvertently or purposefully revealed on “ talking royals “ ( sorry no link!) that ham received head of state level security in third world countries and the poor taxpayers of those countries would be the ones who paid!!! "

Good point.

Proper description of 3rd world countries aside for a moment Was it Columbia where the cost of HAM's trip was largely a taxpayer burden , in the hope they would give donations and the trip would garner more than it cost for the country - but as it turned out they gave about 800 quid in total . ( My figures - it may have been 8,000 I am sure I can google ) but the point is the visit cost more than it gained , and that wasn't meant to be the point.

ETA not arguing about the definition of 3rd world countries , more countries which could scant afford the expenses of H&M being there.

PullTheBricksDown · Yesterday 18:45

New blog post giving a different prediction on how all this will go. I'm not saying this is better informed than anything else, mind: I'm just interested in the stories being circulated

If Prince Harry returns to Britain with Meghan Markle and their children, he won’t be relying on local protection. Instead, sources tell Naughty But Nice he’ll arrive with what insiders are calling his own “army” of private security.

The Sussexes are expected to travel with a large close-protection team, with one insider estimating as many as 10 security officers rotating shifts to provide 24/7 coverage from the moment they land until they leave the U.K.

“This will be one of the biggest private security operations we’ve ever seen surrounding the Sussex family,” one source tells Naughty But Nice. “The team will be with them every minute they’re in Britain. Nothing is being left to chance.”

There’s one crucial difference, however. Unlike the armed police officers assigned to senior working royals, Harry’s privately hired bodyguards cannot carry firearms in the U.K., creating a very different level of protection.

“Harry has never stopped believing his family faces exceptional security threats,” another insider says. “He’s determined to protect Meghan and the children, regardless of the cost.”

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