PR disasters - thread 19

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Can’t see a new thread and am pretty sure there is still lots to discuss !

Or for MM to abandon ship to save herself when the shit hits the fan - she has form for making herself scarce and getting out of the firing line - no where to be seen or heard of for months when PH was touting Spare.

We discussed Doreen Lawrence quite a lot in our threads on the case (most recent thread here DoS & others vs ANL thread 4 ) - I think particularly towards the end of thread 3.

DL is an adult, and will have seen over the 2 years (or more?) of the pre-trial hearings just what evidence there was, and what the defence was. She will have had the opportunity to withdraw at any point.

There were differing views in our discussions (I appreciated everyone on the threads for that). My opinion is that she had a responsibility to check, with her lawyers, the integrity of the evidence.

PR and logic isn’t their strong point. But Crickey they seem to sink to new depths on a continual basis.

I actually think they’re now beyond help as they just can’t see beyond their own oh so limited narrow tunnel vision.

Yes thankyou @bluegreygreen! , I’m unsure if posters here realise that we followed the whole case closely and have thoughts about it that are separate to Harry.

This. She notably never supports H when he's making a tit of himself. BBC interview, etc. When Dr Chandeuka called him a misogynist, racist bully, she kept quiet

If the judgement is out - albeit under embargo - that also fits with the evolving media tone over the weekend. It just so happens that it has occurred as H&M have pissed them all off once too often too. Added to the Max Mosely articles, and there’s enough for a musical.

Doreen Lawrence, supported by Harry and the others, accused Wright of being performative to show that he'd helped a black family

Yes, and I thought it an exceptionally ugly thing to say, @Passingthrough123, which rather negates my thinking it would have been a hard decision for her or feeling sorry for the woman

Harry's stupidity and false claims are hardly anything new, so if she chose to believe any assurances from him or was tempted by a payout then I'm afraid that's on her

And I'd forgotten that legal decisions reach the plaintiffs before being made public, @bluegreygreen, so who knows what thhey may all be sitting on which we don't yet know?

Just reading through the latter part of those threads now - you guys have done a brilliant job of following the trial. I like something you said in thread 3 @bluegreygreen about DDL:

"I thought she may be psychologically vulnerable to believing that she had been hacked because of the previous phone tapping by the police (despite apparently training as a counsellor, which should give her tools to help).
I do wonder if she and PH are psychologically similar in that they may both be stuck in the situation where they believe their own 'emotional truth' rather than the factual truth. If that is the case, no amount of factual evidence during the trial would be likely to change their minds."

I think that's spot on, and why I think he's manipulated her to an extent, starting with that email.

And it’s important to remember this episode:
‘Prince Harry ordered to reveal any payments to witnesses in case against Daily Mail

I agree it was a good piece by Victoria Ward, @AnAutumnCrow, but I very much doubt Harry would consider himself obliged to comply with anything which didn't suit, court ordered or not

Let's not forget his email - on a different subject admittedly - about "Making sure we can't be seen to have had anything to do with it ..."

Isn't Wright himself married to a black woman? - so the Lawrence case was very personal to him.

It was a really ugly thing to say - and DL is no stranger to suing people as she sued the Met and was awarded £320,000 in 2000.

It's odd that she didn't even reflect over the fact that the case was built on the word of actually convicted hackers - one of whom withdrew his evidence 3 years ago alleging that he was coerced by the plaintiffs team.

You're welcome to join in with the threads @Passingthrough123 - I'm sure thread 4 will be very active shortly!

We have tried to discuss all of the claimants in turn, and avoid the partisanship that occurs on other royal threads.

WRT DL, I do think she had that vulnerability; I also think that with her training as a counsellor, with 2 years of pre-trial hearings, and as an adult, she can be held personally responsible for her own decisions.

It's odd that she didn't even reflect over the fact that the case was built on the word of actually convicted hackers - one of whom withdrew his evidence 3 years ago alleging that he was coerced by the plaintiffs team.

Not only that, @Lunde, it was an 'actually convicted hacker', Graham Johnson, who was running the claimants' legal research team, and paying tens of thousands of pounds to their witnesses.

And the unfortunate deleted notes and WhatsApp messages from his book !

While the ship is sinking, Meghan, as ever 🙄, is rearranging the deckchairs on the deck of the Titanic! 😂

.... the new tea

.... is that she's adding Lavender tea 🍵 to her range 🙄

It’s worse than that @Lunde!!! That’s not tea! That’s supposed to be lavender honey!!🍯 😬

What's that a picture of? Surely not tea, its to viscus?

Isn't Wright himself married to a black woman?

Yes he is, @Lunde, so as he said himself, the fact his wife and "precious daughters" are all women of colour - not to mention the many years he spent trying for justice for the family - made this deeply personal for him

It's a shame Doreen didn't think of this before making her hideous allegations, but as I said that's on her, and while she'll always retain sympathy over the appalling death of her son that doesn't absolve her from everything or entitle her to paint herself as a victim in all circumstances

I think getting PH on board and getting him to get DDL on board totally elevated this from a bunch of has been celebs to another level which David Sherbourne believed would force ANL to settle out of court.

Sly Hugh sloped off early despite being the initiator - I wonder what they had on him to blow him out of the water.

That looks awful. Plus the spoon and dish look like they need a hot wash.

Do we know whether Harry & co are likely to be personally liable for costs in the event they lose the ANL case or are they covered by insurance?

They have insurance but not enough! The judge already made a point about this.

IIRC, jeff, it was said in the Telegraph that the group had something like £17 million of insurance cover and a "personal cover" of £3 million each ... which, as you rightly said, the judge suggested might not be enough if they lost

Doubtless Harry would expect daddy to pay, Doreen could do a "poor me" crowdfunder and Elton could no doubt afford it anyway, but I don't know where that would leave the rest

Still, that's the risk you take in bringing any case, and I'm sure the bouffant one will be okay no matter whhat happens

@Wibz Sly Hugh sloped off early despite being the initiator - I wonder what they had on him to blow him out of the water.

😂😂 Sorry I am laughing at blow him...our own gwendoline is involved in some court case involving the slippery hugh. No surprise he is slithering around Andy Burnham to start levison 2 to gag the press, nasty little man.

I also have zero sympathy for DDL blinded by the £ signs in her eyes. She was happy to character assassinate the one person who not only stood by her, put his career and personal safety on the line to name the murderer's but was also a personal friend. She attacked/accused a fellow house of lords member who is a journalist. When you lie down with dogs expect to get fleas.

She also accused the fire brigade of racism in their response to Grenfell and had to apologise for it.

They were advised in one of the pre-trial hearings to make sure they had enough insurance to cover the costs, @KatherineParr, as the costs were already high.

As I understand it, they are responsible for group as well as individual costs, and may have to pay for a higher proportion of the group costs if some of the other claimants win.