PR Disasters chapter 12

[AtIusvue]

Meg n Harry giving us plenty to talk about as usual…..

"They don’t get it. They never think it is them,’ one associate of theirs tells me."

Sums up everything that has gone wrong really.

Don't hold back! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That did make me laugh.

I enjoyed Givemespanakopita's PR insights, and thought her comments about celebrity vs royal timelines made sense. I could see something in the idea of Harry gradually being rehabilitated (there were hints in media articles around that time regarding his mental health).

The difficulty is that any reconciliation depends on the Sussexes (particularly Harry) acting like reasonable people, and there hasn't been much evidence of that to date.

I was very surprised by Spanokopita's opinion that there would be a thaw and a reunion by Invictus.

And I very much hope she is wrong.

But all this talk about a thaw and H positioning himself as a working royal again does start to suggest she may have had a point.

We'll see.

I think most of us react to the situation with emotion but the RF may be able to put the emotion aside better than us in order to protect the institution long term. So really it probably depends on what they decide is best for the institution.

I think it’s a bit weird how there is so much PR activity from Meghan and Harry at the moment, but no supporters popping up on the thread. I almost miss “Meghan turned down the Met gala because she knew it would become all about her and didn’t think that was fair to the others” and “she’s only posting those links so that the correct designers are credited” and “they weren’t invited to the White House because everyone knows they would refuse” and “everyone lies so actually you’re the hypocrite for calling Meghan a liar”.

Thanks for archive link @AtIusvue!!

But ouch!! No holding back in that article! Saying what we’ve been saying for years on here!

For my two tuppence worth I think we all eventually get bored of them too. So many articles it will just get boring.

I think the RF going grey rock is probably the best strategy. The more and more H&M do these desperate tours and articles, the less less the press (and us) will be interested.

Again I mention Katie Price, another press hungry wannabe. I used to eat up all her antics in a soap opera kinda way. But now Meah! Not interested.

H&M remind me of the old UK soap Eldarado from the early 90’s. People mocked Eldorado but still watched it. It was all about glamour, hype, drama and escape.

If you’ve not heard of it, Eldorado was about Brits fleeing grey Britain for a glamorous Mediterranean reinvention but was criticised as being overly dramatic and artificial. Sound similar?

I really DON'T like the attacks or implications that Spanokopita was not genuine or a fool.

She posted here for a long time, and extensively shared her experience in what appeared good faith.

If she left because she felt her opinion was unpopular and it felt it was getting personal I totally understand that.

I remember when I suggested on here that M was a Hustler. God it made me want to leave and never come back with the outrage that caused! Anyone remember HustlerGate on here?😂

I did come back though as this is favourite place to indulge my M&H gossip. But maybe Spanokopita just has better things to do than argue on the Internet about H&M?

Edited to include the important DON'T!!😬

My recollection was that MM got PH to ring up DB and bollock him as she believed VB was ‘leaking’ to the press about her and PH!!!

So there was a spat - with the same pattern of behaviour involving the dissatisfied, agitated MM whipping up her useful/useless idiot boyfriend to go out and defend her around some manufactured slight - her ‘damsel in distress’ shtick and his gullible ‘white knight’ fool / ego rushes to the rescue. She’s deployed this MO on many / most of his relationships with his friends and family - picking them off one by one growing / manufacturing a grudge / perceived slight and bingo PH gets his hands dirty charging in on his high horse!

Just a thought. Maybe the thaw Spanoptika described was actually being planned as she described.

Maines met with the King's people in July. In September H had that brief meeting with his dad, and then blabbed. Thus blowing the plan (or at least walking into a trap Spanoptika didn't see).

If H hadn't blabbed, the plan might have worked. Instead Maines resigned and we have "If Harry truly wishes to see his father, he would do well to encourage his supporters to allow such matters to be discussed privately, since low trust and bitter experience in this regard remains one of the principal barriers to progress."

Same. I see absolutely no evidence of a 'thaw'. I don't buy the idea that Harry has high level 'supporters' either. He's just a comical and occasionally annoying sideshow now.

The whole 'working royal' thing is being phased out anyway, so even if Harry and Charles reconcile, I can't see how he would ever officially represent the monarchy again. It's been too long and so much has changed.

You forgot the racism, noonames!

@MrsLeonFarrell "Harry thinks he is a working royal. He has never grasped that his status was derived from representing the crown rather than who his father is." Absolutely this.

Am I right in remembering Prince Philip when on a tour once said to HLMTQ - "don't forget , they haven't come to see you , they've come to see The Queen".

Of course H's "celebrity" & self promotion will get him clicks and column inches , but what I don't think it is getting him is widespread respect. In fact the more he does I sense the more deluded and irrelevant he appears.

I also miss Spanakopita, for her deep and wide knowledge and her clear argumentation. If she makes a call, I’m interested in her reasoning. With the thaw theory, I don’t believe she gave a target date so we don’t know yet whether it will be borne out (unless I’ve forgotten something).

I also don’t think Spanakopita is so thin-skinned that she couldn’t take a challenge from a couple of posters on here. I imagined her departure was down to her suddenly taking on more/bigger client(s), or acquiring a couple more geriatric rescues. I hope she comes back, you never know!

I sincerely hope that if there is a thaw, then Camilla, William & Kate are on board. Personally I hope it’s reap what you sow and there is no thaw, however I understand that it maybe better to keep the Sussexes in the fold, rather than out of it. I just hope they never ever represent me.

Yeah I miss her posts too. I found her very knowledgeable and interesting. I think she was part of the team and Project Thaw was real but as per usual Harry spoiled it by opening his big mouth and blabbed, which put an end to the whole thing.

KC not mentioning his USA based son and American grandkids at all, not even one sentence, I think makes it clear that Project Thaw has melted.

Would love to hear Spanakopita’s take on it all. Please come back!!

I agree, while I don’t think she was Meredith Maine, I do think she had gotten wind of what the ‘plan’ was, either through vague intel from her contacts in the industry, or possibly was somehow working on the sidelines as a freelancer.

Ultimately, I hope she got some major contract that precludes her from engaging in online gossip of any sort, (I hope she didn’t actually kick the bucket 🫣 as an explanation for her sudden departure)

I learned a lot about PR from Spanakopita.

Me too - I hope she's well. Would be good to see her back.

It would look so disingenuous with King Will, Queen C and those two grifters on the balcony.

I think the issue is William. According to reports there is no way back with him. I do remember he was asked about the Oprah interview and he genuinely seemed furious. He said "paraphrasing " I haven't spoken to my brother but I will.

Well a year to go. Let’s see…

Your screenshot show your camera roll mate you might want to get it removed

Thanks . Have reported

Thank god!! I was just posting the same warning! ❤️

What may have been possible then is unlikely to be the case now! , there has been more stupid behaviour since then .