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Prince William's Christian Journey

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BoxingHare · 25/03/2026 10:38

Here we go, another article about that 'quiet faith' that has been completely silent until now!

As one of the btl comments suggests, is there some rebranding going on???

Surely not!

Prince William’s Christian journey https://share.google/6ANWHkV5p0o0qj1TV

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BoxingHare · 26/03/2026 09:17

I agree about Charles. He championed a lot of things, one being organic gardening which brought him a lot of ridicule.

And whatever else you can say about the late queen, I don't think you could justifiably question her faith in her god and her church.

With William, these types of pieces just come across as expedient. An of the moment PR piece.

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redboxer321 · 26/03/2026 09:37

And whatever else you can say about the late queen, I don't think you could justifiably question her faith in her god and her church.

I can. I don't think we can assume anything presented to us by them or about them by their advisors is necessarily what they really think and/or believe.
They are essentially actors playing a role. Even the late queen.

Theamaryllis · 26/03/2026 09:40

Charles hasn’t looked well for years at least a decade or more. He is ill and he is 77. He will have the best medical care at his fingertips - no waiting for any appointments check ups etc and diet and with it he can expect to live much longer than the average NHS 77 year old - could be one week or twenty years we don’t know. He waited until his 70s to be king he isn’t going to give it up.

Over years of church going I’ve realised the obvious - people don’t say what they mean.
In my previous church the pastor had a long term affair with his secretary which was only discovered by chance by his adult daughter who borrowed his phone. They had been having sex for years in the office. His wife was lovely and heavily involved in the church. He was suspended and the secretary was forced to leave. His wife led the church but he was suspended for a large number of years congregation was heavily put on to ‘forgive him’ and refused and he left and went with his wife to Bradford / Leeds area and set up a new one. Wife and him seem strong.

I moved to a different church and vicar had an affair and everyone blamed the wife (she wasn’t too happy and wouldn’t forgive him) . Again he was suspended and went to Christian counselling and what was truly awful was he was forced to stand in church with his wife and children (!) and all the children except his were sent out and he was forced to apologise and detail what exactly what he had done. Horrific for the children and wife and I didn’t understand why he had to do it but the elders insisted.

There is just as much bad behaviour (assaults, addiction, fraud etc) from Christian as much as the normal population - if not more. There is more because people trust and people also give full apologies and ‘forgiveness’ can be demanded.

I’ve learnt faith is a personal journey. I belong loosely to a very liberal church but I’ve learnt going to church doesn’t make you a Christian and saying you are a Christian doesn’t make you behave in a moral way. I have listened (not willingly) to men justify their affairs as it wasn’t them it was the devil (never sure if it was the woman depicted as the devil or the lust !)

this article is a decade old https://www.sapiens.org/culture/religious-people-moral/ but it was an interesting read at the time.

We are shown time and time again that politicians are more trusted if they say they go to church and are married with children etc but it’s not actually true is it.

We know Charles had an affair as he admitted it. We don’t know if William has or will have one in the future? Or if the Queen or Philip had them? But Charles and William will become Head of the Church and thus it is a moot point.

I do think many things the RF do are buried and hidden and wills should be public and not hidden etc Same rules and no exemptions and if over the next 30 years or so if that doesn’t happen I can see us getting rid of them. It’s got to be transparent and fair and it isn’t.

Are Religious People More Moral?

Research shows extensive prejudice against atheists for their assumed lack of morality—but many who hold this bias may not be the best judges.

https://www.sapiens.org/culture/religious-people-moral/

CurlewKate · 26/03/2026 09:52

BoxingHare · 26/03/2026 09:17

I agree about Charles. He championed a lot of things, one being organic gardening which brought him a lot of ridicule.

And whatever else you can say about the late queen, I don't think you could justifiably question her faith in her god and her church.

With William, these types of pieces just come across as expedient. An of the moment PR piece.

I can question absolutely everything we think we know about the RF, up to and including TLQ. We only know what we are told and we have absolutely no way of verifying any of it.

CathyorClaire · 26/03/2026 10:02

wheresthesnowgone · 26/03/2026 04:46

You can't make someone believe in the god stuff if they simply don't. You can have values that align with Christianity without being an actual god botherer.

Well, clearly.

But there's only one 'someone' destined to become the next Supreme Governor of the CofE admitting to a 'quiet faith' without demonstrating it beyond the cycle of royal set pieces.

TravellingSomewhere · 26/03/2026 11:00

It is quite amusing though this quiet faith statement.. quiet as in understated, less visible, private .... just like he also does

Quiet work/ engagements
Quiet service
Quiet PR
Quiet .....

He’s not doing much visibly, but assume something meaningful is happening privately...yeah right 😆

CurlewKate · 26/03/2026 12:28

TravellingSomewhere · 26/03/2026 11:00

It is quite amusing though this quiet faith statement.. quiet as in understated, less visible, private .... just like he also does

Quiet work/ engagements
Quiet service
Quiet PR
Quiet .....

He’s not doing much visibly, but assume something meaningful is happening privately...yeah right 😆

Yep. Like all that “behind the scenes” work they do….

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 13:08

I don't think the point people are making is that the Queen was a "true belieeeeever" but that she showed leadership in her position of head of the church, by attending church, leading by example, referencing her faith in thoughtful ways at key points for the country, and using her faith as a beacon of hope.

William is supposed to be lined up as Supreme Governor of the Church of England and doesn't even attend church regularly! And neither (I assume) do his kids - who will also have that role, but clearly their faith isn't even part of their regular routine. It's embarrassing!

Perhaps it's time to unpick the church and state links - and that discussion is fine - but for William to pretend that it's a meaningful part of his life, just to keep the status quo, is offensive to people whose faith is a core part of their life.

BoxingHare · 26/03/2026 13:30

I don't think the point people are making is that the Queen was a "true belieeeeever" but that she showed leadership in her position of head of the church, by attending church, leading by example, referencing her faith in thoughtful ways at key points for the country, and using her faith as a beacon of hope.

Yes, you put it well.

Some say W & C may have developed or increased faith since she was ill.

In that case, why has all that she's talked about been the healing power of nature? Why has it been just C that has referenced anything?

She's the one who was ill, of course, but it would have been an ideal time for him to make something up and sound more sincere than he does with the quiet Christianity nonsense being peddled now.

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BemusedAmerican · 26/03/2026 16:05

So what matters is keeping up the front and not actually leading a moral life?

Are we all in a position where we can make value judgements on other's beliefs?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

BemusedAmerican · 26/03/2026 16:06

So what matters is keeping up the front and not actually leading a moral life?

Are we all in a position where we can make value judgements on other's beliefs?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:13

What's your point @BemusedAmerican ? Are you saying that Christian leaders need to be more moral than others? And how would you judge that? Good Christians like, erm Trump, who believes he is ushering in the second coming by blitzing the middle east ... ?

I mean the Church of England, of which the regent is the Supreme Leader, was established on slightly shaky moral foundations but I don't think we'd argue it should therefore be scrapped?

CraftyGin · 26/03/2026 16:16

BoxingHare · 25/03/2026 10:38

Here we go, another article about that 'quiet faith' that has been completely silent until now!

As one of the btl comments suggests, is there some rebranding going on???

Surely not!

Prince William’s Christian journey https://share.google/6ANWHkV5p0o0qj1TV

Everyone is on a journey.

CurlewKate · 26/03/2026 16:22

BemusedAmerican · 26/03/2026 16:06

So what matters is keeping up the front and not actually leading a moral life?

Are we all in a position where we can make value judgements on other's beliefs?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

When you’re the head of the Church of England then you’re expected to keep up the front AND lead a moral life. I have no idea whether William does the second-but he certainly doesn’t/hasn’t do the first!

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:23

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 08:51

As a practising anglican I feel quite an unchristian rage with William. He's shown absolutely zero leadership in this space and I can't think I could identify any of his values in life other than avoiding difficult things.

Even as a young man Charles took his role very seriously, and was very much a game-changer in his own way. He intervened a lot with things he was passionate about: the church, faith inclusion, the build environment, ecology. He was always getting slagged off for over-stepping!

William has done nothing as far as I can see. At a time when we need clear leadership (and contrary leaders) he just seems to want to take a back seat. I get that's his personality. But it's not what you want from a leader of the church! And certainly he has demonstrated absolutely no interest in church or liturgy - nevermind any actual real faith in the whole shebang.

What do you actually think William should be doing ? Burning Catholics and sticking them up on Tower Bridge.

As a " "practising Anglican" would you say you have a quiet faith or do you shout it out loud? In which way do you do it ? I'm genuinely interested to know what you think a non quiet Anglican should be doing ?

You bring up Charles and what he did but Charles was a very different scenario - he was POW for 64 years. That's quite a time wouldn't you say ? How can you compare that with someone who has been in the job for less than 4 years? It doesn't make sense.

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:25

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:23

What do you actually think William should be doing ? Burning Catholics and sticking them up on Tower Bridge.

As a " "practising Anglican" would you say you have a quiet faith or do you shout it out loud? In which way do you do it ? I'm genuinely interested to know what you think a non quiet Anglican should be doing ?

You bring up Charles and what he did but Charles was a very different scenario - he was POW for 64 years. That's quite a time wouldn't you say ? How can you compare that with someone who has been in the job for less than 4 years? It doesn't make sense.

I would expect him to practice, i.e. attend church and take his family to church.

That's a very low bar.

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:30

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:25

I would expect him to practice, i.e. attend church and take his family to church.

That's a very low bar.

Does he not do this? As bemused said is it all about appearance? Do people HAVE to attend to be a Christian? There are many Holy Willies in Church for show - it can mean nothing.

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:34

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:30

Does he not do this? As bemused said is it all about appearance? Do people HAVE to attend to be a Christian? There are many Holy Willies in Church for show - it can mean nothing.

I think if you are the head of the church, attending regularly would be very, very bare minimum.

Honestly, I think it's fine that he doesn't seem to believe in God or have a faith. But I think it needs an honest conversation, not just pretending he's been all "quiet" about it. Where's his actual conscience?

estrogone · 26/03/2026 16:37

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 08:51

As a practising anglican I feel quite an unchristian rage with William. He's shown absolutely zero leadership in this space and I can't think I could identify any of his values in life other than avoiding difficult things.

Even as a young man Charles took his role very seriously, and was very much a game-changer in his own way. He intervened a lot with things he was passionate about: the church, faith inclusion, the build environment, ecology. He was always getting slagged off for over-stepping!

William has done nothing as far as I can see. At a time when we need clear leadership (and contrary leaders) he just seems to want to take a back seat. I get that's his personality. But it's not what you want from a leader of the church! And certainly he has demonstrated absolutely no interest in church or liturgy - nevermind any actual real faith in the whole shebang.

Eh?

Charles could not keep his willy in his pants. He isn't a 'good' Christian (whatever that is). He cheated on his wife for years and is the most curmudgeonly old bustard in England.

This is the weird thing about performative religion. Be a dick all week but as long as you perform the rituals you are good to go. Not sure thats how it is supposed to work.

Took his role seriously Confused, yeah right!

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:39

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:28

This article is very accurate, with thoughts from the late queen's chaplain:

https://www.newsweek.com/prince-william-christianity-insulting-queen-chaplain-archbishop-canterbury-11718905

"...he's a really sweet man with sort of vacant ideas about God..."

The Gavin Ashenden who can't make up whether he wants to be an evangelical, Catholic or Anglican ? The one who criticises Islam and homosexual marriages and is a regular on GB News? That one? 🙄

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:40

estrogone · 26/03/2026 16:37

Eh?

Charles could not keep his willy in his pants. He isn't a 'good' Christian (whatever that is). He cheated on his wife for years and is the most curmudgeonly old bustard in England.

This is the weird thing about performative religion. Be a dick all week but as long as you perform the rituals you are good to go. Not sure thats how it is supposed to work.

Took his role seriously Confused, yeah right!

I haven't implied that Charles is a "good" Christian. It's not a phrase or a benchmark I would use. I said he took his role seriously.

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:40

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:34

I think if you are the head of the church, attending regularly would be very, very bare minimum.

Honestly, I think it's fine that he doesn't seem to believe in God or have a faith. But I think it needs an honest conversation, not just pretending he's been all "quiet" about it. Where's his actual conscience?

These are your surmisings based on your very real lack of knowledge 🤷‍♀️

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:42

corblimeyguvnr · 26/03/2026 16:40

These are your surmisings based on your very real lack of knowledge 🤷‍♀️

Do you really think that William, as future supreme leader of the CofE, wouldn't attend church if this meant anything to him? Or ever make a statement around his role as defender of the Faith, particularly at times of personal crises? What kind of leader would say NOTHING for years?

pepperminticecream · 26/03/2026 16:43

Goldfsh · 26/03/2026 16:34

I think if you are the head of the church, attending regularly would be very, very bare minimum.

Honestly, I think it's fine that he doesn't seem to believe in God or have a faith. But I think it needs an honest conversation, not just pretending he's been all "quiet" about it. Where's his actual conscience?

But he isn’t head of the church yet. And how do you know he doesn’t attend church? We don’t see photos of them in their day to day life and have really no idea what they are or are not doing.