Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot

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Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from the royal box at Ascot and from royal events in the foreseeable future. That's according to a headline in the Daily Mail. A little part of me feels a bit sorry for them as they're not their parents. I don't like them much but they do seem to symbolise all that's wrong with the royals. Money and immense wealth and priviledge for very little return.

Certainly Eugenie had protection officers at Twickenham in 2010. She was sitting behind me and telling her male friend about her Dad’s 50th party.
If only I had listened more intently 😀
Just after that weekend her vulgar mother spoke about to Epstein, methinks.

I believe one of William’s POs used to sometimes participate in one of the classes and the professors got to know him by name.

They could easily choose an officer who could run a marathon as fast as Bea without it being an extraordinary challenge though, no offence to the princess, but.
It's weird that Andrew insisted on CP officers for them when they weren't deemed necessary. It's so restricting and unfun, We've had them before in other countries, a pain in the arse to be honest.

I wondered if the Palace are leaking these rumours to test the waters with the papers /public response. If the general reaction is “well yes, they have terrible parents but no reason to cut them out” then B&E will get invited, if the response is more “WTF?” they won’t, and it was just a silly rumour.

Again, this is a non story. No actual new information to print so instead the DM has pulled the old trick of getting the Palace to refuse to rule something out.

What is the ME?

Middle East

It's weird that Andrew insisted on CP officers for them when they weren't deemed necessary. It's so restricting and unfun

And surely it results in a misplaced sense of endangerment? And surely that might then result in heightened levels of anxiety around personal safety and restrict one from interacting in spaces that feel less familiar?

Perhaps that's partly why Bea insisted on residing at St James's whilst at GS. Something familiar among the unfamiliar. I daresay being around a very much less deferential (if not patently anti inherited privilege) crowd of people from a wide array of backgrounds must of felt...unsettling, especially if their parents set them up to feel set apart, and special.

I question again why she chose Goldsmiths? I know Damian Hirst is an alumni but surely a Russel Group would have provided a more... recognisable crowd.

@Totallyfedupnow I was thinking about that and remembered that neither of her parents had gone to uni themselves. They were clueless about lots of things anyway but would have had no idea about how students live, even posh ones.

Maybe this is what happened and she applied and they were clueless about both the uni and what sort of student digs would be available. But I thought they also had advisors at their disposal for these sorts of decisions

Perhaps Bea didn't even want to mix with the plebs at a Russell Group Uni. Wasn’t she the one who didn’t want underprivileged people sitting in the royal box with her at a show and only wanted people in there who shopped at John Lewis?

Eugenie apparently lived in a hall of residence called Castle Leazes which was popular with Newcastle’s wealthy students. And then lived in a house with seven friends in later years.

https://archive.thetab.com/uk/newcastle/2018/10/18/everything-we-know-about-the-newly-married-princess-eugenies-time-at-newcastle-35145

Although I think a lot of it had to do with status and entitlement. With 100% benefit of hindsight I wonder if AMW's demands for security and secure royal accommodation for his daughters had more to do with protecting them from the dodgy people he was grifting from ... sex abusers, gunrunners, corrupt "businessmen", spies etc than any dangers of being "royal".

I wonder if AMW's demands for security and secure royal accommodation for his daughters had more to do with protecting them from the dodgy people he was grifting from ... sex abusers, gunrunners, corrupt "businessmen", spies etc than any dangers of being "royal".

I think MW's pompously overblown demands on behalf of his dreary daughters are likely to have had way more to do with his own insecurities and resentments as he and they dropped inexorably down the LoS than any real threats from the dodgy associates he now appears to have been satisfactorily serving.

I also think we're seeing history repeat itself in the increasingly shrill shrieking for yet now provably unrequired security for equally irrelevant persons emanating from California.

@CathyorClaire - I don't always agree with you on everything as I think you know. But on this I absolutely do. I think MW was obsessed with being 2nd in line (at one point) / princesses of the blood and all that shenanigans . I think H is equally obsessed with his royal family entitlement ( small R small F) .

I think MW's demands for his daughters was more to do with , as you say pomposity , trying to keep his status etc. If I am honest , from what I have read I think he just didn't have the wit to know how his behaviour could affect his daughters, Let's face it , he didn't have the wit to realise how it could affect him. 😂But I hope he knows now.

During William and Kate’s wedding he was right in the shot whenever the camera was on William saying his vows - his expression was so different to all the other family members - you had all sorts of smiles from quite maternal ones from Anne and Sophie, cheeky piss-taking ones from Mike and Zara etc.

Andrew was stoney faced with a weird resentful tinge.

Once you’ve noticed him it’s really weird.

I completely agree with this. I don't think AMW saw his associates as undesirable at all.

I read an article recently which said that the Yorks resented Catherine from the start as she would take attention away from B and E ( ie blood princesses 🤦‍♀️). Apparently AMW was less than complimentary about Catherine and the girls themselves are on camera displaying some less than friendly behaviour towards her.
One thing they should have realised is that William doesn’t seem to forget things !

Exactly, what goes around comes around. It’s clear the Yorks looked down their noses at Catherine, they didn’t try to hide it. They get what they deserve as it would seem William does like to hold a grudge.

Well if they looked down their noses at C and showed it, it’s just another example of how monumentally stupid they are. It would have much better in the long run to fake it and stick close to the future king and queen. W and C must be furious at all the trouble AMW has caused and they will feel no loyalty towards their cousins. B and E will be out in the cold.

I completely agree with this. I don't think AMW saw his associates as undesirable at all.

Is that because he is so honourable?🙄😂

I read an article recently which said that the Yorks resented Catherine from the start as she would take attention away from B and E ( ie blood princesses 🤦‍♀️).

What attention though?

Constant digs at what they wore?

@diddlthat’s a good point. The public and press have never been very interested in them.

I think we can all agree that whatever the York sisters may or may not have done or how less than perfect they might be, it’s not in the same ball park as the sins and shortcomings of their father.

I keep coming back to my thought when Lownie’s book was first published and then the Epstein Files started coming out. Which was, how do people cope when they discover that their father has been lying to them and the whole family all that time and he really is a terrible person. There are examples of this all round us in life - lots of men who commit horrific crimes have children - but B&E are in the public eye while they process the fact that what they have believed their entire lives about themselves and their family is wrong. That they are adults now and relatively wealthy by most people’s standards does not exempt them from shock and devastation - and they don’t even have their mother to turn to for stability or perspective as she is not what they believed either. I am finding that it is possible not to be a fan of theirs at all while also feeling very sorry for them.

Funnily enough I have no real memory of the wedding except for that and the nun who wore trainers! I did wonder if AMW just had unfortunate resting bitch face, but I now suspect now.

The press have always been absolutely vicious about them.

I remember a load of bikini photos of Beatrice when she was only 18 and articles criticising her weight.

It's sad but true I think that if they had always been thin, the press would have been infinitely kinder about them over the years

Suspect not, that should say. Bloody autocorrect.

That’s not true though- the press were interested in them, it’s just it was always unrelentingly negative.

I had to do quick skims of all newspapers daily for a job I had in very early 00s, the tabloids featured B&E regularly it just was always framed as them getting it wrong again, Beatrice existing while being chubby again, on look at frumpy Eugenie etc.

William was the important one. Harry and Zara were the cool ones. Beatrice and Eugenie were the unglamorous ones.

I would assume they delighted in Catherine arriving to take away the pressure. Even better when there was Meghan too and it was Meghan who started getting the negative comparison stories.