Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot

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Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from the royal box at Ascot and from royal events in the foreseeable future. That's according to a headline in the Daily Mail. A little part of me feels a bit sorry for them as they're not their parents. I don't like them much but they do seem to symbolise all that's wrong with the royals. Money and immense wealth and priviledge for very little return.

I think it would be hard to be raised living a life like that and then all of a sudden go into a lower class life while your friends are all in the upper classes. Sort of like Meghan and Harry - the idea that they just get jobs 9-5 and buy a house in the valley is a bit unrealistic. Of course they wanted a life that they could have had - especially Meghan working and taking risks to be an actor and relinquishing that. I can see why she wouldn’t have wanted to live in Windsor being 2IC to Prince William & treated like staff. This idea she signed up
and then she’s trapped for ever is weird.

I guess my point is that the royal family seem to be screwgey with other relatives while still wanting them to keep their lives a certain way. They’ve sort of designed this and are at fault for not buffering family members.

PA & PF are truly in the wrong though

I 100% agree with this. I think William’s snubbing of Andrew at the funeral was because he knew exactly what we know now. They know more - as if the royals don’t have contacts in high places that tip them off before it all unfolds in the media.

I'd be happy to see all the royals go. The are worthless to society.

If true it’s probably to protect them as much as anything else. They are best kept away from large public events.

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They’ve not been banned from Ascot - they’ve found out that they aren’t on the list for parading up the course in a carriage next to the King.
Why?
Because once it became clear Andrew had lied to the King about breaking contact with Epstein, the King could no longer believe anything else he said. Including re the knowledge/involvement of B/E.

Andrew Lownie’s book Entitled says very little about B/E until the last couple of chapters. Then they begin to crop up, with claims (not as well evidenced or detailed as other parts of the book) that as adults they accepted cash and gifts from dodgy AMW associates from central Asia and China. The revised edition will likely try to flesh these out if possible and add their dealings with Epstein to the list.

If I were him I would also be looking at the jobs B/E have. They have long relied on these as a PR firebreak - the media duly trots out that they are private citizens, they are working mums with normal jobs, they don’t rely on the taxpayer. However these jobs have always seemed questionable. How does Eugenie hold down a job at a London art gallery if she lives in Portugal with two very small kids? The job also basically involves selling expensive modern art to very rich people. Which rich people? Epstein? Kulibayev? Yang Tengbo?
As for Beatrice it’s even more mystifying. I have seen media reports describe it as many different and vague things, including “senior strategic advisor” to various private businesses, and most recently starting her own consultancy with a “senior executive from the World Economic Forum”. What kind of advice does she give? Who were/are her clients? Are any of them associates of her parents? Has she ever used access to royal addresses eg BP to entertain any clients?

If both of them are completely innocent and unsuspecting and have never leveraged their father’s title or his dodgy contacts to make money, this situation is very tough on them. In which case the right thing to do could be to voluntarily give up their titles now, and their places in the succession, and be properly private?

Has she ever used access to royal addresses eg BP to entertain any clients?

I would imagine so. Epstein asked Sarah in emails for a daughter to show round clients/friends of his to Buckingham Palace and it came across like this was a usual request

He’d just been released from prison. It was all over the press.

I don’t think it’s about them being unsafe. I think they’d probably get heckled and booed and so too might the rest of the royal family. I guess they are thinking that without any of Andrew’s children there the royal family members may escape any jeering from the public.

I’ve not been to Ascot. I assume there’s a public section? And the royal family would pass that section when they are paraded in the open top coaches?

According to this article SF was emailing him while he was still in prison.SF - Epstein Prison

I love Royal Ascot for what it is, a good day out in a posh frock. I couldn't give two hoots about seeing the royal family personally.

I used to go every year (up until about 8 years ago) and absolutely loved getting dressed up, finding the dress, hat, shoes, walking up from the station with the crowds, picking a horse to bet on (and rarely winning), stopping by the pub at the station on the way home.

It employs many locals, brings in money to many local establishments in a wide area, and many locals go to it. Just because everything else is changing and lowering the bar why should Royal Ascot? Same with things like Wimbledon.

thought compulsory curtseying had been done away with ages ago. As indeed it should
Good god no. Only recently a lot of royals were stood on some steps for a funeral or something and I presume Charles & Camilla drove up. They were all bobbing up and down like a bizarre game of whack-a-mole 😅

Wrong, from the Royal website

There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.

Yes I expect he does loose his temper sometimes - don’t most people?
No. I can't remember a time I have.
Maybe decades ago. Maybe because of stresses of life which William really does not have given the number of servants he has

Well we have never seen William “loose his temper” it’s just something people like to say on here, the only time we have seen William “loose his temper” is when a photographer was stalking him and his family at close range and good on him for doing so, protecting his wife and children.

And he lost his temper during the 'dog bowl incident '! But I agree it's something that is said about him here with little evidence to support it.

Never let the truth get in the way of a generous dump of nasty.

Well according to Harry, who has never lost his temper, ever, oh wait……

I feel extremely sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie who have the most appalling parents and are put in the spotlight when they haven't done anything other than their best in unbelievably trying circumstances. If anyone is to blame it's QE2 for not being a lot fiercer with Andrew a long time ago.

My reply has been hidden temporarily until they can have a look at it. No idea why. I included two links to news articles.

Yes , during a visit requested by the UK government . I don’t think some people understand that if a member of the RF is asked to undertake a visit somewhere, they do it . They are briefed and have officials with them .
It’s their job.

We don’t actually know what they have and haven’t done . We don’t know if they have benefited financially from Epstein and other dubious characters .
We do know that they have enjoyed luxurious holidays , designer clothes etc.
We do know that both have spent considerable time in the ME using their titles for “ business” reasons.
We also know that they refused to allow an ethics check on their investments.

It didn’t look like they ‘had a little joke’ to me. William looked incredibly uncomfortable. It looked like Andrew came up behind William, said something, William gave and involuntarily semi smile , Andrew carried on grinning & talking, William put his hand over his mouth and said something to Andrew without even looking at him. The smile dropped from Andrew’s face and that was it. Catherine utterly blanked Fergie.
Pedantic yes but I think you will find Andrew stood next to William. William was in front of Andrew. Apparently the RF were blindsided by Andrew & Fergie coming out of the front door -they should have exited through the side.
I don’t know why he doesn’t give interviews to British interviewers - maybe because he knows everything he says here will get twisted by the press.
He most certainly did not shut down the BBC investigations into Martin Bashir/Panorama. He did a televised statement & said how it was a step in the right direction,
“They all allowed the bullying of Meghan and Harry” - what bullying?
I think you will find the independant law firm that conducted an enquiry at the request of BP were investigating claims of bulling by Meghan and Harry of their/William and Catherine’s staff.
Honestly - most of what you have written is distorted opinion and bilge. Do you work for the Daily Mail ?

I find the new narrative that William was having a joke with Andrew at the funeral interesting. At the time the press were writing about how William and Catherine were ignoring Andrew and Sarah, as far as possible, and about how William was literally on video saying something behind his hand that caused his uncle to back off.

And yet here we are a few weeks later being told William joked with Andrew.

The video does not support the joke narrative and yet it keeps popping up.

Definitely wasn’t a joke. William looked very awkward and certainly didn’t want to engage with Andrew.

Beatrice and Eugenie are not independent actors.