Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot

[Viviennemary]

Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from the royal box at Ascot and from royal events in the foreseeable future. That's according to a headline in the Daily Mail. A little part of me feels a bit sorry for them as they're not their parents. I don't like them much but they do seem to symbolise all that's wrong with the royals. Money and immense wealth and priviledge for very little return.

Similarly , the claims that William was happy to drive AMW around .
He drove him to church . Once. As requested by The King.

Well you a must be a better person than I am then as I loose my temper daily.
But I do have a highly stressful life - you make it sound like it’s not normal to loose your temper. Isn’t it simply an emotional valve?
Yes I do think he has more pressures than the rest of us- I don’t think pressure in life comes only from lack of money.
As I said -how many people would be able to cope with the unrelenting lies and nastiness spewed by millions of people all over the world on a minute by minute basis?
William couldnt sit in A&E - huge security risk. Not just for him, for all the other people there. Plus he can afford not to take up NHS resources.
My mother wouldn’t go and sit in A&E - William isn’t the only person with money you know.
And FYI, curtseying isn’t done to the person , it’s done to acknowledge their title & role. It’s done the first time they see the King and Queen in the day whether in private or public. I think it looks rather nice - it always looked lovey when Anne did it to her mother, especially when they were looking right at each other and smiling. It’s deference and love.

I think that one comes from a lack of understanding of how hierachical the institution is. If William is told to drive Andrew he drives Andrew and I think it is striking that he only did it once.

im guessing if the boss says you need to drive miss Daisey etc

Yeah. And for me is striking he only did it once. If it was a regular thing that I would find the comment on it more convincing.

thats true,

I’ve noticed that happens a lot with William. Something happens that makes him feel bloody uncomfortable - having to drive A to church, having to endure A outside church - and then that’s it, he appears to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

I wonder if he is able to put his foot down with his father in a way that Charles was unable to do with his mother.

Interesting dynamic.

Yes he seems to be able to say no more than Charles was. But then Charles seems a less strong character. I can't imagine it was easy to say no to the late Queen and Charles was brought up in a fairly distance way which wouldn't have helped.

Whilst in some ways it's good that William can say no I do think he has a stubborn streak that could cause him problems if he refused to do certain things. An example of this is the way he refuses to tell us exactly how much tax he pays. I'm pretty sure he pays the legal amount, exactly the same as Charles did, but he won't confirm it because of his need for privacy. That is stubbornness working against him.

Yes William met him on his Middle East visit. Then last week or so King C treated bin Salman to a state visit.

You do realise that the UK government through the Foreign Office decides who is invited for a State visit, not the King himself, he just hosts as requested by our elected representatives.

yes I do realise that. Pack of crooks the lot of them.

So.

On the one hand we have a man in his forties being 'ordered' to skivvy for Uncle Scandal yet on the other we have that same man refusing to don his velvet curtain unless Uncle Scandal is omitted from a swishy cloak parade?

How contradictory.

And I think we know why the Government are (as ever) using the royals to shmooze the Saudis. It’s strategic - and has been since the British invention of Iraq post-WW1 and the installation of an Arabian royal on the new Iraqi throne. See also: Gulf 1; Gulf 2; modern day NATO arrangements and potential dislocations; oil.

Could you provide the source that says Charles asked him to do this
But not daily mail, they make it up as they go along

Even if he did William is a 40 something year old man and for something like this he could just say NO

We hear that William is taking a hard line with all of this, if he was he would have refused

I don't know where to start!

Do people honestly go around losing their temper all the time? I'm not a better person, I just don't do it. Life's too short, and I have ways of dstressing which doesn't involve swearing shouting and throwing things

As for A,&E, your lucky mother to have her own private physician. Sometimes it is completely unavoidable to attend A&E, unless you are royalty.
You are twisting my words, of course none of the royals could go to A&E. and them not sitting there would not affect the waiting. Should we be grateful?! 😅.
You talked of Williams sresses and removing any medical problems because of first rate service immediately is a huge non-stress. Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace have their own medical centres for instance
You call curtseying deference and love.
I certainly dont

Exactly!

I thought he was supposed to be tough on this situation! ?
It's not as if there aren't many other cars that could have been used
It was a deliberate thing to do.

And FYI, curtseying isn’t done to the person , it’s done to acknowledge their title & role. It’s done the first time they see the King and Queen in the day whether in private or public. I think it looks rather nice - it always looked lovey when Anne did it to her mother, especially when they were looking right at each other and smiling. It’s deference and love.

Indeed - within the family it's about tradition and respect, isn't it?

I remember a thread on here some time ago, when people were discussing such traditions in their own families. In my family, for example, elders would be greeted by people rising when they enter a room, and shaking hands or hugging them depending on relationship. Someone else spoke of a kiss to the forehead being traditional in their culture.

Did the Government make William’s Earthshot accept £1M from that torture Sultan 🙃

All a bunch of parasites.

OP, don’t feel sorry for them, feel sorry for Virginia Giuffre and Epstein’s many, many other victims.

Agree.

(TL;DR - I think B&E are expendable.)

I’ve been a mild-mannered republican since I joined MN over 15 years ago. My Morning Star-reading habits are the talk of the parish.

The British monarchy has given rise to many tragically millinered and benightedly suited ‘hangers-on’ - family members with styles, titles and honours. For fascinating reasons that for some reason I enjoy discussing on here with everyone, there will always be a majority of humans attracted to symbols of power and wealth like bling and sashes and special names, as well as to actual power and wealth. Men like Epstein manipulate this.

Monarchical lineages seem like a strange way to run a species and a planet, but monarchies and monarchical systems will always, it seems, be with us. Lineages even seem to have been monumentally honoured in the Neolithic. Trump’s having visions of lining up Barron; Jong Un is looking to Ju Ae.

The troublesome corollary of this is all those cousins and other relatives, expecting to be riding high on the hog. And this gives the monarchical inner circle a dilemma - should they be ruthless, or exhibit impressive grandiosity? It boils down to what they feel they can get away with to avoid bothersome acts of rebellion from the people they pretend to represent. Sometimes gestures are felt to be needed.

The organism does what makes the organism successful.

Beautifully put 👏

Exactly .

There is some utter nonsense written here claiming William only drove Andrew once! It’s is easy to disprove - just google for goodness sake .

William was an active participant in the Andrew rehabilitation and this current PR is a desperate attempt to distance William from Andrew for only William’s benefit.
It does not and will not work.
People are not stupid. Well most people aren’t stupid .

And as if William would be ordered around due to ‘ hierarchy’ or respect for his father .
Charles has been working while being treated for cancer - what has William done? Less than ever .William couldn’t even be bothered to learn a few lines for the coronation . An 8 year old could do it. .No respect there at all

In my opinion William was active in the rehabilitation of Andrew mainly for selfish reasons - got to keep the gravy train on the tracks .

And William has links to the files via his charities. Still not a word from him ( the spokesperson issued statement on the day he went off to the middle east was almost insulting it was so calculated)

@DaisyDooley

I have not read your entire post but much as been answered elsewhere
But one of your points made me laugh
you praise William for encouraging Band E to have their finances examined yet seem to have missed the fact that William has refused to do the same himself .

The absolute hypocrisy.