Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5487636-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy-part-2?page=20&reply=150676336

I don't feel particularly sorry for Melania. She could've divorced Trump after his first term of office ended or once her son was of age. But she chose to stay with him. Perhaps he has something on her that he's threatening to reveal if she ever left him or she is as vile as he is and, like her infamous coat, really doesn't care. Or she truly loves him, but somehow I doubt that...

That's interesting
I find Melania cold and calculating. I'd put money on it that she is paid to appear with Trump
She brought all her family over through chain immigration which Trump has banned for anyone else
She was very.vocal and unpleasant about the Obama birther nonsense. She does fuck all as First Lady. I think she is a thoroughly unpleasant woman who could have walked away any time.
She chooses not to for $$$$$

No sympathy from me. She was a mature woman who had been working on the international ‘model’ circuit for over a decade when she met Donald Trump in her late twenties. She married him at 35 and had his son at 36. She has danced with the devil.

And sold her soul.

If she has one

She always seems cold and calculating to me, but performs like a puppet when required.
I do wonder what’s about to be revealed, why suddenly distance herself now? It also seemed to be throwing her revolting husband under an oncoming bus.
I’m old and cynical, I honestly don’t think anything that comes out is going to shock me. My opinion of the Royal family is at rock bottom, and I never thought I would write that!

Yeah maybe I'm wildly off base, I don't know. She just doesn't seem evil to me.

I see her as an immigrant woman who had one main asset, her looks, and was determined to do better for her family and use those looks to marry well. I do think she was exploited at a young age - whether via Epstein or just being on model payroll 'circuit for hire' by wealthy men, I don't know.

I don't think she could have left him after the first term when he was determined to have a second Presidential run. A divorce may have compromised that. And possibly she wanted to be FL again for herself.

Compared to former First ladies like Hilary Clinton, Michelle Obama and even Laura Bush, I don't perceive her as having much clout or impact. Past Presidents were happy to let their wives shine, to be very vocal on issues. I see Melania as constantly having to work under the haze of whatever ridiculous controversial thing her husband is going to do next and having to remain very much on Mags message and take on very safe subjects.

I don't get a sense of the equality, autonomy or gravitas you saw with Hilary or Michelle. Hilary was FIRST LADY without doubt (at her deposition the other day you could really see the fire and authority despite her age, when she threatened to walk out and shut the whole thing down) even despite the Lewinsky humiliation. Same with Michelle. But when it comes to Melania and the Trump admin I think of the Press secretary Caroline Leavitt as having more clout and being the face of American Conservatism. Even Erika Kirk has more following. As pp said, she's not THE no.1 Lady of America and I pity her for that because it infers (to me) that she is experiencing inequality within her role as partner to the President. And that in turn may infer things about the marriage, her status, and situation.

Saying that I had no idea she actively shipped the Obama birthplace racist nonsense so shall be re-evaluating.

Her interview doubting where Obama was born is on YouTube and FB. She is adamant
Do look (can't link on my phone) she is quite unpleasant about it and promoted that conspiracy

She has done nothing in her role. She came from nothing, married a rich man, but is not giving back to the country that has adopted her. She could have easily left trump between the two presidencies but no, she hangs on. And doesn't even try to do good

Karoline Leavitt could be gone just as quickly as Kayleigh McKenany who was a diluted version of her as Press Sec in the previous Administration, then out the door just like that. Leavitt's days are numbered I've read, who knows when Trump might want to purge

Leavitts also pregnant so will go on maternity leave

The author Michael Wolff is said to be in legal dispute over a claim that she was introduced to Trump by Epstein

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/melania-trump-jeffrey-epstein-row-why-flotus-was-forced-to-speak-up-michael-wolff-said-she-is-not-worried-101775761906274.html

" She came from nothing and married a rich man " .... so that's ok for Meghan Markle but not for Melania? Hmmmm...

I remember that very well, Cathy, and have always believed it's a big part of why Burrell had to be prevented from entering a witness box - also why he has that hideous smirk on his face a lot of the time

Though a ghastly man in many ways, a tell-all book from him could easily be the family's worst nightmare, and from that follow other things

I agree. Burrell is awful and embarrassing

@simpsonthecat
And knows a lot.

I hope he has written a book or manuscript, and that there are copies in solicitors’ safes around the UK and North America.

Some of it would probably be true, and it should be possible to triangulate it against other staff members’ and journalists’ recollections.

Sadly yes, he did die young but he also claimed he'd lost everything to the alleged cover-up.

I think it's interesting that C3 paid for him to be admitted to the super-expensive Priory and followed up with a then pretty hefty £38k severance payment.

There's a (Wayback Machine) link here which summarises the story and the draconian measures implemented to try and suppress it:

http://throneout.com/viewstory.asp?STORYID=108

Edited to say that link won't work 😡 Scroll to the bottom of this and choose the republic site's take:

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/George_Smith_(royal_servant)

The "manuscript in a safe" wouldn't surprise me at all. TheAutumnCrow, and for all we know the "Diana tapes" could be there too

It would certainly explain the smirk ...

Channel 5 visual podcast Catching up with the Royals on currently. Quite sycophantic. Though they have just revealed, and the presenter Emily Andrews almost said "Poor Andrew" but just checked herself, that the lodge where Andrew is, now isn't actually large enough to house all his security team.

So they have rented a 2nd hand mouldy caravan and parked it on the grounds for the retired coppers to stay

Odd piece in DM today puffing Ed as MW's chief cheerleader and coolly competent on the back foot while simultaneously raking over the various ridiculously unnecessary indiscretions he's been guilty of in the past:

https://archive.ph/2XDjL

Upshot seems to be MW (entirely unsurprisingly) isn't to be persuaded into shifting his lardy arse from luxy Wood Farm any time soon while royal rehab in following his brother's footsteps could somehow beckon in time.

Not sure how that works given he's 66 and it's taken Ed 20 years...

Agree it's a strange article, but AMW moved out of Wood Farm last week

https://archive.is/SLxdo

ETA They obviously thought they could still get some more copy out of the visit from Edward - first it was he wanted Andrew to move, then it was he was worried about A's mental health, then he really wanted A to move, now he wanted him to move, and is supporting him - oh, and remember the bad things E did 20 years ago?
When I did research it used to be called 'salami slicing' and was frowned upon -trying to get multiple papers out of the same set of results.

Where is his new Forever Home then? I thought it was Wood Farm.

Edit: Ignore me! I'm getting the farms mixed up!

Thanks for the article.

I hadn't seen that.

I'm amazed they've finally prised him out of there and I think there's still a reasonable possibility he'll be quietly installed at WF at a later date.

The 'security incident' seemed rather conveniently timed and I believe Marsh Farm is reported to be more accessible from public property. What are the chances of further 'scares' necessitating a more secure property?

Another article about the York parents, dressed up as something else. A key part is actually that ‘wild child’ 17 year old Beatrice had an older, rich boyfriend Paolo Liuzzo to stay after just a fortnight - encouraged by Sarah (and Andrew, I think) to spend money on them. And this was before the Clarke bloke, who Beatrice met while still ?17?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15735883/princess-kate-beatrice.html

I’m not surprised that William was unnerved by it all tbh.

Another Mail article:

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor's team blocked FBI Epstein probe after being told he was a suspect, not a witness

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15745163/Andrew-team-blocked-Epstein-probe-suspect-not-witness.html

This was since at least Sept 2020. So even more lies were being spewed out to us back then.

The more I hear the more surprised I am that B and E didn't end up as adult degenerates like their parents.

I think the article on Bea indicates the high probability there's more to come out.

W knows he got it wrong allowing himself to be seen driving the 'tosser' (interesting leak/positioning) around and he's not being bitten twice.

The other article explains an awful lot of the tosser's behaviour after his public promises on Newsnight.

Quite shocking he was regarded as a suspect (presumably still is?) rather than a potential witness even though that in itself was posited as an excuse for not sitting down face to face with investigators on the similar grounds he could potentially inadvertently incriminate himself.

I hope the current Starmerdrama doesn't sideline this important development.

I agree that there's more to come about B&E within that weird family setting when the time is deemed to be right. I think there is starting to be a strong hint that the York parents were inappropriately using their daughters as a lure in every which way, in order to enhance their own financial standing and dissolute social lives.

I'm glad B&E went to universitites and mingled with a lot of posh-but-presumably-normal(ish) students, thinking about it. It gave them a chance to live outside the bubble for three years, especially Eugenie in Newcastle.

If either or both of them subsequently ignored the 'this is what normal looks like' yardstick, then, as adults, that's on them. The Epstein trip at ages 19 and nearly 21 wasn't a clever or normal thing to do, but they were still at university I suppose. Then I think ... how on earth did the Royal Household not intervene in this wildly inappropriate lifestyle? Were words ever had? Was a blind eye turned? Was William told to keep his beak out? How much did Harry know?

I suppose it'll come out at some point, perhaps after Charles has gone.