Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

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Here we are

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Lownie said on Andrew Gold's Heretics podcast that he is working on a documentary and hopes to provide more information in an updated version of the book. One victim, Arthur Smythe, has brought a court case, which is currently being processed.
I think a lot of powerful men may well have abused Kincora boys and the cover up may have been very wide

Though it's small comfort, whatever happens, Mountbatten's name is mud to a large number of people now

She wants a hearing to take sworn testimony from Epstein’s victims.

Well I think we can all agree with Melania on this point! Though I'm not sure what that means for her husband given that his name appears in the files so frequently.

M&D are also taking journalist Michael Wolff to court for defamation for $1billion for his claims that Melania was in a ‘relationship’ with JE for a year before JE passed her on to Trump.

Not sure if the timings of that work - she would have been 27 in 97 (she started dating Trump in 98) - so too old for JE also Ghislaine would have been very much on the scene and was his gf & fixer?

If anything she might well have been an inadvertent trafficked victim in the broader modelling system which was exploitative.

Always a worthwhile reminder, Cathy, though there are many who simply don't want to hear it - which perhaps explains why comments like this are not often responded to

Everyone understands that paedophiles are drawn to the powerful for the "cov
er" they can provide, but that still leaves the issue of the cover's judgement (or in this case lack of it) and while one paedophile pal may be an accident the number here looks to be a pattern

Never mind though; there's always Andrew to deflect attention

It might be about Melania’s visa status when she was new to the US.

She arrived in 1996 on a work visa, then met Trump in 1998. She says she first met Epstein in 2000.

Then in 2000, Melania submitted a miraculously successful application for a special EB-1 visa (the ‘Einstein visa) that was approved in 2001. Five years later she married Donald and became a US citizen. Barron was born.

Maybe there are going to be allegations about who fixed her ‘Einstein visa’?

Who were the fixers and who had the contacts at the time? I think that Epstein and Andrew may well be of interest to journalists. It’s murky.

What’s your impression of her body language, voice and delivery?

I went back to rewatch and at the start seemed like she was angry - but was that because she had a gun to her head to do this (war diversion) or because she is actually raging about info/photos/rumours which are real/fake which are out there.

I then think she was quite brittle and fragile at some points and at others reading very carefully chosen words and phrases from a script she must not deviate from - assume because she is currently suing journalist Michael Wolff for $1billion - but he is also counter suing her.

There is definitely some shit about to rise. Just have to wait.

I doubt she would speak out like this of it was just about a fiddled visa - these types don’t give a shit about breaking rules.

I wonder if she’s been forewarned about something that’s about to break.

If she was a victim she would play on that - and I believe she really wouldn’t care about illegal visa loopholes.

It’s something absolutely massive that’s about to drop that she is unable to prove is fake that has compelled her to do this announcement - because she has been ignoring random internet stuff for years - and even now with AI no one believes any image so no need for her to have spoken out.

I agree, she’s getting ahead of something. It’s not a deflection from the war as people online have joked (although the war was a handy distraction from the Epstein files for Trump).

Definitely.

That family has close ties to prolific pedophiles - or actual pedophiles -going back generations

It is right there in front of us. Epstein was first convicted in 2008 . The Windsors blatantly, publicly, smeared Virginia hoping they could crush her with the weight of the institution.
The Windsors would still be covering up now were it not for international action which they could not control.
BTW we still don’t know exactly how many Windsors helped pay off Virginia and by how much . That is our money they used .

They take half a billion from the struggling uk population a year - we have a right to know who has taken what from whom, re what senator Khanna calls the ‘Epstein class’ .

How anyone can call themselves a supporter of the Windsors is utterly incomprehensible. Look at what you are supporting .

It is right there in front of us. Epstein was first convicted in 2008 . The Windsors blatantly, publicly, smeared Virginia hoping they could crush her with the weight of the institution.
The Windsors would still be covering up now were it not for international action which they could not control.

@Ukisgaslit Yes. I’m done with them.

Melanie's 6 minute speech was bizarre
She was stood at the lectern with the POTUS seal that only Presidents ever speak from
It was obviously written for her as she couldn't pronounce a number of words, there were so many discrepancies in her speech it was untrue.
The war was a diversion from the Epstein files, now Melania is pivoting back to Epstein
Something is about to break and I read this morning it involves AMW too (no idea how true this is) but not sure how much more credibility will stretch for the Monarchy if do
Trump🤡 is mentioned 38,000 times in the files, an illegal war has distracted from this, now pivoting back
What times we live in 🤷‍♂️

I agree entirely, Ukisgaslit, except that I'm pretty sure they claimed Virginia was paid off from private funds - and if folk believe that, from an institution whose head even tried to tap a deprivation funded to pay for palace heating and who's heir was complicit in flogging honours and citizenship, they'll believe anything

As said though, at least they have Andrew as a "Look! Look over there!"

I'm not sure i do agree with her on this point. The victims have done enough. It's time the accused were questioned now.

Apparently William rang Andrew the very night his ‘titles’ were removed - to offer support . So a few months ago William was ringing Andrew to commiserate with him. Commiserating with friend of Epstein, Andrew

This makes William’s trite statement re victims , issued just hours before another round of visits to Middle Eastern royals, appear even more empty.

This is reported to be in a book by journalist Robert Hartman .

We know William’s charity has as its co founder a close associate of Epstein and is under investigation . Would we have known about that were it not for the Epstein files

Thanks.

I had read that Ed was fuming at being made to slum it in a £4k a week holiday let but this article has him shacked up in the house which doesn't seem too pout worthy a deal.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere between all these alternative takes.

I'm currently reading Tom Bower's Rebel Prince which has all sorts of now forgotten stories related to C3.

A particularly interesting one which was successfully made to go away was the alleged rape of valet George Smith at the hands of a senior aide Bower names in the book. It's all exceedingly murky with secret tapes of the story made by Diana and stored in a locked box taken for 'safekeeping' by Burrell after her death but returned empty after his trial collapsed thanks to E2's 'recollections'.

It's explosive stuff.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2434943.stm

And yet sources close to William are denying this .
It ‘s pretty clear that W has no time for AMW .

😂 of course ‘ sources’ will say that …..

I don’t believe a word from the Windsor PR .
William ‘s ‘sources’ also let it be own that he’d rather have Andrew as a neighbour than Harry …..

And it is far from clear that William has ‘no time’ for Andrew. William found a seat for Andrew in the plane and the car on the way to Balmoral , he was photographed driving Andrew a few years later - Andrew right there in the front seat- they made sure to be photographed with William and Andrew together and ‘a family united ‘ headlines . Echoes of Elizabeth and her photo op two fingers to the rest of us

But believe what you want . Some people do not want the truth .

I remember that. George Smith sadly died young, about 20 years ago. He also claimed to have seen Charles and a member of staff in a compromising position.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/royal-rape-claim-valet-dies-aged-2385072

Did Earthshot ever issue any sort of statement about Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem when his Epstein links were made public?

You don’t think AMW should have been allowed to visit his dying mother ?

Yes, I read it rather differently. Though I won't put my conclusions here. Needless to say I actually do not think it was pro the victims, rather the opposite.

Pam Bondi was also 'let go of' a few days ago.

So it's either going to be a massive attempt at coverup and damage limitation - people have been calling this Iran offensive the 'Epstein war' or 'a war by the Epstein class' and suggesting DT is compromised and that various intelligence agencies particularly Mossad and CIA have something over his head, so that he was coerced into the war. Make of that what you will, he's not known to be the epitomy of restraint or prudence , nor well known for his political acumen and reportedly has a large and fragile ego, so does he particularly need coercing when making unwise decisions? I very much doubt it.

Or...

Something else is about to emerge that presumably should have been handled, but wasn't and cannot now be put to bed.

I think Melania has a child with Trump (I've always wondered why only one and not at least two? He's sort of on the outside of the rest of his siblings) and is First lady, which is a big deal. She wishes to protect her child and preserve her legacy such as it is. I have never put her on the same level as Trump. Something about her elicits sympathy from me. I always feel sorry for her. I read her body language as genuinely upset but also vulnerable.

I wonder if her book is interesting.

Or perhaps there should have been the expense of a separate plane, @Mylovelygreendress, to ensure that in the midst of grief everyone was performing appropriately.