Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5487636-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy-part-2?page=20&reply=150676336

That’s quite a shocking article.

Archive links

B & E https://archive.is/tci0g

AMW https://archive.is/bYjBr

Thoughts on those articles

-I remain very uncomfortable with the upbringing that the York sisters received. I know they are now adults, and fully agree that they are now responsible for any decisions that they make; however, I remain convinced that the lack of safeguarding as children/young adults made them very vulnerable, despite their privileged position.

-William is so private it hurts. He would accuse his dog of being indiscreet if it barked at someone else too often. I suspect this is why I can sometimes see William's point of view.

-I wonder if the DM headline is intentionally ambiguous? Talking about AMW's 'team' would imply to most people his official office, part of the Royal Household. In fact, the first sentence clarifies that the entire article is about emails between AMW's legal team and the US DoJ.
I wonder when the rest of the RF discovered about the change from witness to potential suspect? It's not a topic AMW is likely to have raised voluntarily.

I don't pretend to know either way, BoxingHare, but neither would I assume they're not. Just the silly "job titles" they use when swanning round the middcle east suggest a lack of candour, and with the RF already mired in scandal I doubt they'll want more to come out

And I can just about see that Andrew's lawyers would try to keep him away from FBI questioning, @TheAutumnCrow ... how could they possibly prevent the idiot from incriminating himself?

I had to smile at the offer to give written evidence though; that's what Charles did over Peter Ball, doubtless knowing that every dot and comma could be worked on by his briefs - and even then he ended up officially criticised in the inquiry into CSA, which would normally be unthinkable

I find the ex boyfriend playboy Liuzzo story horrifying. Beatrice was 17 and what in god's name was Sarah and Andrew doing encouraging a relationship with their daughter and him... 7 years older, a drug addict skint playboy with a criminal record that started off as manslaughter which became assault and battery. The very troubled man ended up dead in a hotel room from a drug overdose eventually, yet A&S encouraged this relationship when B was so young?
Sarah obviously wanted to be friends with her daughters, not a Mother. She partied with them at drug fuelled parties.
Unbelievable.
It would all be much easier for the Palace if all these titles of wider family were ditched, to include princess titles of the Yorks and the Sussexes.

As for Andrew helping the FBI, we all knew that was bunkum.

Couldn’t agree more @simpsonthecat
however a lot of articles about Beatrice. Have there been as many about Eugenie? I finding I can’t remember.

Sarah obviously wanted to be friends with her daughters, not a Mother

Certainly in Entitled, she doesn't come across as the Mother of the Year she always painted herself as.

And it was the Queen who made B end the relationship, not her parents.

So the Queen was being briefed. And if about this, then presumably (probably) she was about the whole York shenanigans? And/or did she, or her 'team', filter certain things out.

Andrew and Sarah may have lost their titles but dear lord, they'll be hanging on for dear life to the fact they are the daddy and mummy of 'blood princesses'.

William is so private it hurts. He would accuse his dog of being indiscreet if it barked at someone else too often. I suspect this is why I can sometimes see William's point of view.

This quote was prefaced by:

William has the Spencer paranoia gene

I think both sons share it and while I'm no Henry apologist only one gets unrelenting stick for it.

William however, is the one who entered into a pact with the press to guarantee lots of "Princess Kate wears lovely dress" coverage whilst turning a blind eye to the corresponding monstering of his brother's wife

however a lot of articles about Beatrice. Have there been as many about Eugenie?

There were a flurry of articles around her anti-slavery 'charity' (questions still unresolved and I'd like a little clarity) but since then...seemingly very little.

The evidence so far (apart from the joint NY visit) appears to be that B is the most implicated but who knows?

Personally I think the entire York family are about as credible as a three pound coin.

QE2 never nipped anything in the bud did she? It was obvious, if it's true, she told Beatrice to call time on the playboy dodgy character, it must have been plain as the nose on yer face the Yorks were well dodgy and up to all sorts. Hang on a minute, she bailed out Sarah after she divorced her darling son from bankruptcy more than once.

AMW and SF were indulged right up to months ago... and were leading the Royals into church for a memorial service only last year.

It's all pathetic
And let's remember they have only been cut off now because of the Epstein files and the publicity around that. Otherwise they would still be part of the inner royal circle.

@simpsonthecat
Totally agree.
She was totally invested in expanding her family wealth and privilege. And that pattern is continuing.

What do you mean? W&K agreed, a long time ago, that they would give the media a certain amount of access to them and their children in return for privacy the rest of the time and it's worked out well for both sides. Why should he fight H's battles for him when the support doesn't work both ways? H&M encourage media interest while W&C contain it.

What pact ? Do you have evidence of this ?

His brother.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-william-broke-royal-brothers-33340198

Though I suspect many might automatically discount that

So , Harry claims …
Well we all know that H and M have a strange relationship with the truth so I will take anything he says with a huge pinch of salt!
Can you give genuine examples of briefings ?
H and M have had plenty to say about W and C but I cannot recall either W or C or their office badmouthing H and M .

Archive link to the story you posted https://archive.is/0lvmD

We do of course, know of Harry's relationship with the truth:
'Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts.'

We also have some evidence of William's support for Harry, even to the extent of putting out an official statement in support of his relationship.
https://archive.is/diFkM

Having said that, this is a thread about AMW, not Harry.

Harry lies @Lalgarh
Seen his lies and then occasional backtracks, while blaming others. Or to be kind to him, he’s economical with the truth.

It's why I find Charles's attitude to harry so awful. He has seen it with his brother, spoiled, indulged, no consequences, bailed out constantly, living beyond his means and look where that has ended up. Charles is the same with harry as QE2 was with Andrew. Harry like Andrew is out of control and it won't end well.

What exactly is Charles' attitude towards his youngest?

Only one unrelentingly acts paranoid and yaps on about security threats and family members wanting his wife dead.
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If such a pact exists, it didn't do C much good for the first ten years of their relationship.

Is this turning into a Bash Harry thread?
Likening H to AMW is beyond a joke.