Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5487636-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy-part-2?page=20&reply=150676336

Why?

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Yes I know, this is the same files but on a searchable database instead of raw data.

Internet safety. Never click on links you're not familiar with.

Okay, thanks

He was not anti Monarchy, far from it, but he had no good words for many of them (He spent time with Prince Michael of Kent who was, as he put it' 'for sale'). He wants greatly reduced finances for them, and them all but king and heir working and he thinks the days of The Monarchy being a steadying influence in difficult times has completely gone. They need to go back to basics and earn respect.

That's kind of hard to reconcile TBH.

If you've no good words for many of them and recognise royals for rent (a description his own father applied to our now king) as an issue while acknowledging irrelevance, you're pretty close to advocating Republicanism.

Thank you, this is excellent. The separation of powers is disastrous,, they cannot be beyond scrutiny like this

And there’s the issue of what both Andrew and Harry got up to in their military years.

I think it was you, @Carla786, that asked on a thread (can’t remember which!) about the darker rumours around H. Let’s just say that the army in Afghanistan doesn’t have the purest record concerning the alcohol- and drug-fuelled treatment of local women forced into transactional sexual encounters (see also: Kenya, Iraq). Evidence has been presented at hearings and to journalists that some personnel allegedly felt themselves to be untouchable if they were abusive, and some officers turned a blind eye, and some junior officers found it all very funny when it was far from being so.

There is a suspicion of an almighty cover-up of royal behaviour in the military. Military service of course is dressed up as part of the royal family’s sacred pact with the nation - the men in grey suits work hard to hide that dark underbelly of shitty tempers, exploitative and violent behaviour, and alleged offending.

Yes, it probably was. Thank you for thus info: I agree it sounds likely there is more to be revealed...☹️

The rumours re Harry beating up prostitutes in the army appear to stem from this Blind Gossip item. Obviously there may well be no truth behind it. The wider problem is that, hypothetically if any of them had done something like that, I'm sure it would have been covered up

https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/

Well, I think there is a fair amount of evidence that Harry is a misogynist and disrespects women he's had sex with (see: Spare, passim); can be violent toward strangers when feeling protected by his bodyguards (see eg the personal account of Taylor Hawkins); and hurts animals (see: photos of his polo mount that he spurred until it bled, the accounts of the pregnant polo pony that was ridden to death, the Sandringham & Balmoral shooting allegations).

And of course he has also from his own mouth - and his ghostwiter's pen - admitted to spending a lot of time as a pissed-up druggie. He's also an absent father for much of the year. He has demonstrably lied in interviews and enabled lies to be told.

I can quite believe that there may be more to come. There really is something rotten in that family.

Yay another derail.

I’m afraid these rumours date from considerably earlier than that blind!
if you frequent military forums or have any connections it’s been discussed for years, along with the cover up and other unflattering comments about his military service.

Better start a thread about it then, I'm sure there's plenty of appetite for it.

I am pretty sure there was some discussion about Harry’s alleged behaviour towards women after the publication of Spare .

Could this not be discussed on one of the many threads about him. No need to derail this thread.

The common denominator is the institutional cover-ups and the collusion of government(s). That’s some serious abuse of power.

But happy to move it to a suggested existing thread if needed. Or perhaps a new one is warranted?

It’s just annoying when it looks like the thread is becoming another fan zone

But you're not posting about AMW @BillericayDickie - you're replying to posts about Harry, but also posting about William and Charles. So with regard to your plea, isn't it a 'physician, heal thyself' moment?

Fan zone of what?

I’m a republican. See these threads, passim.

Andrew’s bringing down of the monarchy … that’s not a one man job if it actually ever happens.

Yes, we could do a new one.

That's terrible. It sounds more likely to be true if mentioned before this blind item.

I don't suppose you might be able to give names of military forums where you've seen it discussed?

Yes, I think there were possibly tabloid articles in the 2000s where women complained of his sexual behavior towards them, though I need to check the details.

I see Andrew has popped up again on the Sandringham estate...I find it incredible he is still allowed there. I had thought they had ostracised him, after all the dubious murky dealings around the finances and selling information why are they still helping him out with a home.

It's really not helping the institution or the Royal Family one bit and I agree that he has done a lot of damage to the monarchy. Hard to see a way back really, this very much feels like the iceberg you can see but has opened the door to wondering how deep does it go, what other dubious and murky things have the all the other Royals done thats been covered up.

No it’s not a one man job. But if other royal family members participated in any cover up that could be the tipping point that sees the end of a monarch as HoS.

So unlike the late Philip of Greece and Denmark ingratiating himself with the 13 year old Princess Elizabeth, pushed to the head of the queue by his notoriously louche uncle.