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The royal family

Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

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simpsonthecat · 21/02/2026 19:39

Here we are

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Carla786 · 19/03/2026 08:06

AnnunciataM · 19/03/2026 06:45

I'm inclined to agree re Townsend being creepy. His second wife was about 25 years his junior and they met when she was a teenager too.

Yes,, that was in Ma'am Darling, odd pattern...

BoudiccaRuled · 19/03/2026 09:48

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 06:23

Re Margaret, I think it's more complex than that. She wasn't banned from marrying him, she just would have had to stop being royal. She prioritised keeping her royal status.
Moreover I think he was frankly creepy. While they officially fell in love when she was 17, he knew her since she was 14 or 15 as he worked for her father.. Craig Brown's Ma'am Darling is satire,,but the Townsend writings he quotes do suggest Townsend may have been interested from when she was around 15. There's even some evidence they slept together when she was 17, though that seems pretty foolhardy of Townsend if so. It certainly seems the relationship began in some way while he was still married.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-5216399/amp/Did-Princess-Margarets-lover-sleep-17.html

Personally, I've always suspected that Margaret was maybe attached to him partly because of the loss of her beloved father, and he was a stabilising presence. Would she have been happy to marry a 16 years older man, when we know the kind of bohemian lifestyle she enjoyed as an adult? Letter to Eden suggests she maybe privately had second thoughts.. it's not as if she was forced to marry the awful Snowdon later, she could have chosen someone better

https://www.womanandhome.com/life/royal-news/princess-margaret-letter-marriage-peter-townsend-342624/

Anyway, we shall know more when in 4 years, her letters to him will be released.

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Charles dithered over Camilla, didn't he? Wanted to sow his wild oats. Then she married Rupert Campbell-Black Andrew Parker-Bowles.
Charles' main problem was having to marry a virgin as they were in such short supply in the 1970s young female aristocracy pool.

RainbowBagels · 19/03/2026 16:20

BoxingHare · 16/03/2026 17:09

Of course this pandering needs to stop completely.

However, it doesn't say much for the amoral and immoral family that have been allowed to do this, and continue to do it with impunity, though, does it?

They've pushed for more, been given it, and then kept going to see how much they can get away with. How can anyone support a head of state with that mentality?

How can anyone support a monarchy with that mentality?

And just supposing the government suddenly grows a backbone...what then? The monarchy is still the same family that have low morals, accept dubious gifts from dubious regimes, who selfishly and purposefully push for legislation to be changed to suit themselves. Etc etc etc.

Just because the buck stops with the government doesn't change the type of family these people are. Why on earth would you want the patriarch or matriarch of that family to be our figurehead?

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Yes quite. They clearly need someone to say no to them, because otherwise they will take as much as they can. Why can't they, if they are, as they say, living a life of service to the nation, stop taking advantage when they surely have everything they could possibly want or need?

TheAutumnCrow · 20/03/2026 19:39

MidWayThruJanuary · 15/03/2026 14:43

I’m more bothered that an elected government has to water down legislation if the Monarch doesn’t like it - particularly when it pertains to their own financial and land and property interests.

I’m watching Channel Four News and I see the Duchy of Lancaster is still shunting off at least £10m cleanu-up costs on to the government ie taxpayer. ‘The King isn’t paying a penny’.

Duchy tight lipped. ‘Working with local council’. Ffs.

CathyorClaire · 20/03/2026 19:52

TheAutumnCrow · 20/03/2026 19:39

I’m watching Channel Four News and I see the Duchy of Lancaster is still shunting off at least £10m cleanu-up costs on to the government ie taxpayer. ‘The King isn’t paying a penny’.

Duchy tight lipped. ‘Working with local council’. Ffs.

I've seen this on the news too.

Absolutely fuming.

The eternally short armed and deep pocketed C3 gets to have his cake and eat it yet again 😡

simpsonthecat · 20/03/2026 21:10

TheAutumnCrow · 20/03/2026 19:39

I’m watching Channel Four News and I see the Duchy of Lancaster is still shunting off at least £10m cleanu-up costs on to the government ie taxpayer. ‘The King isn’t paying a penny’.

Duchy tight lipped. ‘Working with local council’. Ffs.

Agree.

It's costing £10million and the duchy (who own part of the land) are not contributing one penny. Unbelievable

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BoxingHare · 21/03/2026 11:08

They all disgust me.

And our round the coast footpath is named after him! Why the fuck do we keep doing this???

simpsonthecat · 21/03/2026 11:16

BoxingHare · 21/03/2026 11:08

They all disgust me.

And our round the coast footpath is named after him! Why the fuck do we keep doing this???

Yes, I loved hearing about the coastal path until I heard its name. Why why why.... not everyone is royalist.

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CathyorClaire · 21/03/2026 11:34

Aaah. The path. It sounds really lovely but then they have to go and name it after a caretaker king with a lack of judgement going back decades 🙄

Ridiculous and as more comes out about MW and what C3 may have known I suspect it will come back to haunt.

BoxingHare · 21/03/2026 14:17

It's not actually fully open even thought it's officially open!

Quite a lot round my way was under review because a local landowners family objected to a massive length of it that goes over their land. Thankfully whoever was responsible for reviewing their comments decided agai St all of them and it'll be opening at some point.

But what was wrong with simply calling it the National Coastal Trail I don't know.

RainbowBagels · 21/03/2026 14:31

CathyorClaire · 20/03/2026 19:52

I've seen this on the news too.

Absolutely fuming.

The eternally short armed and deep pocketed C3 gets to have his cake and eat it yet again 😡

This is why I think nothing will happen re changes to the way there RF is run. They will continue as they always have. No one will look internally into how AMW was allowed to get away with as much as he did. No one will 'slim down the Monarchy' when it comes to costs - although of course their workload will drop off a cliff. It will all be business as usual. They are already, instead of looking inwardly have reverted to their usual strategy of leaking stories to the press to make themselves look good and shift the blame onto others. Why can they find £12m to pay off a victim of their beloved Andy but not, for eg £5m from the multi billion £ Duchy to pay for the cleanup? They have saved more than that in corporation tax every year as it is. Disgusting. I hope Parliament gets a backbone, Republic continue making them uncomfortable and the AMW scandal follows them around like a bad smell for a very long time. Because they don't give a fuck about anything except keeping their grubby hands on the power and loot that comes with their unearned and undeserved position.

BoxingHare · 21/03/2026 16:04

@rainbowbagels

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AnnunciataM · 22/03/2026 06:44

Another excerpt from Entitled on Lownie's Substack. Were people really so blinded by deference that they didn't stand up to him? Duke or no duke, I'd have told him to fuck off!

NewAgeNewMe · 22/03/2026 07:12

It’s unbelievable @AnnunciataM that no one did. He sounds like a 10 year old.

RainbowBagels · 22/03/2026 08:37

AnnunciataM · 22/03/2026 06:44

Another excerpt from Entitled on Lownie's Substack. Were people really so blinded by deference that they didn't stand up to him? Duke or no duke, I'd have told him to fuck off!

I think, unbelievably, the answer was yes. Possibly they were just more polite than him. I suspect the bullying report into MM wasn't published as it exposed years of ignored complaints made about AMW and possibly others.

simpsonthecat · 22/03/2026 08:40

There was a discussion a while back about Andrew and Sarah and their love of practical jokes and embarrassing people. They bonded over their juvenile humour, I can just imagine that. They are both so crass. We all like a joke but not a whoopy cushion type joke at a dinner party 😂

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AnnunciataM · 22/03/2026 09:57

simpsonthecat · 22/03/2026 08:40

There was a discussion a while back about Andrew and Sarah and their love of practical jokes and embarrassing people. They bonded over their juvenile humour, I can just imagine that. They are both so crass. We all like a joke but not a whoopy cushion type joke at a dinner party 😂

That's the sort of "joke" that might be funny once but gets tiresome very quickly. But nobody seems to have ever told the gruesome twosome this.

Tiddlywinks63 · 22/03/2026 11:18

Just how much deeper and wider can the deviousness of the RF go? I sat watching this totally incredulous at the size of their reach.

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AnnunciataM · 22/03/2026 12:40

Entitled was 99p on Kindle the other week but I think better to wait until the paperback edition comes out. Lownie must be updating it by the day!

simpsonthecat · 22/03/2026 12:46

Tiddlywinks63 · 22/03/2026 11:18

Just how much deeper and wider can the deviousness of the RF go? I sat watching this totally incredulous at the size of their reach.

Thank you @Tiddlywinks63

What a watch that was. Dai Davies, Lownie's guest, was Head of Royal Protection and a previous Divisional Commander of the Met.

There are so many takeaways from this. The Royals have no oversight into them and no due diligence is ever done. They are covered up by successive governments and indeed the Met at times.

He says Charles should abdicate if it is established he knew (which he obviously did) and an inquiry should find out who knew what, and who did what.

He called the Yorks 'a firm within a firm'. And they all should be investigated vigorously, and that doesn't exclude B&E who are implicated greatly.

A crisis team was set up in 2011 to investigate Andrew, it went nowhere as it was quashed.

He was not anti Monarchy, far from it, but he had no good words for many of them (He spent time with Prince Michael of Kent who was, as he put it' 'for sale'). He wants greatly reduced finances for them, and them all but king and heir working and he thinks the days of The Monarchy being a steadying influence in difficult times has completely gone. They need to go back to basics and earn respect.

He can't get over the fact that previous PMs and leading politicians are not speaking out... but for instance, William Hague works for the Wales's so refused. All in all, it's been a massive cover up

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NewAgeNewMe · 22/03/2026 14:27

We are meant to be a constitutional monarchy ffs. Parliament needs to represent the people and do their job.

bluegreygreen · 22/03/2026 14:29

Archive link https://archive.is/1RfS3

As I've said before, there are too many important people involved. They specifically said that they wanted to question AMW as a witness.
My assumption is that some people will not have wanted their own names to appear. I can imagine that if he ever starts talking he is unlikely to be particularly discreet.

The 2020 MLAT said that there was evidence that Prince Andrew engaged in "sexual conduct involving one of Epstein's victims". But it also emphasised that the former Duke was being treated as a witness rather than a suspect, adding:
"[The] US authorities have not, to date, gathered evidence that he has committed any crime under US law."

ohdelay · 22/03/2026 17:02

Just catching up on these threads as noticed a lot of PR pics of royals at events and petting kids to make it seem they aren't just a grifting bunch of parasites and paedo enablers.
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AlwaysRightISwear · 22/03/2026 17:06

I'd be cautious about that link ...

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