How come William chose to ignore the massive elephant in the room and no one challenged him on it?

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Prince William spoke about the very important subject of mh yesterday on Radio One and while it’s a subject that should be highlighted, does no one else think that his credibility on this issue has now been damaged by the AMW case?

He may not have been personally responsible for the alleged cover up, and he may well loathe Uncle Andrew, but he is still a central player in the institution that helped to pay off and cover up the voices of AMW’s alleged victims? Virginia Giuffre took her own life fhs! He can’t just ignore it!

To me this interview came across as incredibly unintelligent and insensitive in current circumstances. And proof that William himself just doesn’t “get it”.

Why on earth did he not say that in the light of current circumstances and out of respect for victims; the interview couldn’t go ahead?

Or why did his new ex crisis manager PR person not advise this?

And why was he allowed to sit there by the BBC and not address this?

And what about the mh of the Palace staff who have suffered because of AMW’s boorish and inappropriate behaviour for years? The nanny who allegedly left because of AMW being inappropriate and the policeman whose arm was hurt by AMW’s speeding at Windsor? The maids who were screamed at? What about the mental health of the police protection offices who quite recently were, according to Lownie, reminded about their NDAs and the safety of their pensions if they spoke out?

I don’t think it’s good enough any longer for a senior member of the RF to sit there and say yet again in a rather generic way “we all need to talk about our mental health” while ignoring what their own institution has covered up for years and is still allegedly trying to suppress?

And the BBC should hold some accountability about this too!

‘Convenient’ - you mean like a convenient coincidence?

That’s an odd take. It was a deliberate choice. It’s not like she wasn’t already christened into the church - like many people she hadn’t been confirmed.

It was released negate he was visiting the new Archbishop. Someone obviously asked a question and was given a small bit of relevant information.

I'm not sure what people are wanting. William to say he's an atheist? A charismatic who speaks in tongues daily? Whatever he said would be criticised and he knows that and seems to have made the most non committal statement possible, and still gets comments.

He isn't going to be the religious Head of the C of E, but the weird governmental type Head Henry VIII cobbled together to remove the Pope's role. In the 21 st Century I think it would be far more appropriate to sever the link between church and state as it doesn't really benefit either. But that's a different discussion and apparently people are more interested in finding another stick to beat William with.

Well no, because he became a priest then I assume had many years before he became archbishop of C. If William isn't religious then he can say he doesn't want to he head of the C of E. Or he could force himself to go to church every week because he has a responsibility to those who do believe to understand the working of the C of E. TBH the whole thing is a nonsense that the C of E has an hereditary head. William can't help it if he doesn't believe in God, but then he shouldn't be Head of the Church.

What do you mean? Do you mean that she only did it because she had to?

Or he can believe in God, and support the general mission of the Church of England without fuss and with integrity - which is a position similar to a lot of people.

I don’t go to church regularly - especially now I’m in the UK and even the Episcopalians are a bit too American evangelical for me. But I have my own way to commune with God and worship with communities for the bigger occasions.

As long as he can support the CoE when he’s monarch, I don’t see a need for him to be overly performative now about his faith.

I’m not sure why everyone jumps from not speaking about religion to being an atheist.

I’m Greek Orthodox and we aren’t confirmed, just christened as babies. I know catholics are confirmed, as I’ve been to a couple, I didn’t realise you needed to be confirmed in CofE. Everyday is a school day :))

You don’t actually have to be - many people who are christened and go for church are not confirmed.

I did it when I was 12 ish - but my family were quite traditional about things like that - we had something like six weeks of weekly lessons with the vicar followed by a special service that the bishop came to preside over.

It traditionally means you can start taking communion during the service, but I know people who do that who aren’t confirmed too.

Considering fewer than 50% of the population are Christians, and that percentage has older people doing the heavy lifting, the odds are that he's not.

Hence why it's perfectly reasonable to view a sudden revelation about his "quiet Christianity" as suspicious.

Thank you @wordler in Greek church you start communion as soon as baptised so was interesting to see what other denominations do.

You do realise that some members of the Clergy don’t believe in god.

not all vicars or clergy members believe in a traditional, supernatural God
. While the vast majority do, surveys and studies have suggested that a small minority (around 2% in some Anglican studies) may not believe in God, or define their belief in non-traditional terms like higher powers or metaphors, sometimes identifying as Christian atheists.

Off topic, but that just reminded me of this fabulous exchange in Father Ted, BigWillyLittleTodger:

Father Dougal: "I just wanted to ask you, do you believe in an afterlife?"
Father Ted: "Well, Dougal, generally speaking, priests tend to have a very strong belief in the afterlife."
Father Dougal: "Oh, I wish I had your faith, Ted."

And Welby himself:

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has said he sometimes has doubts in his belief in God.

In an interview with BBC Bristol the leader of the Church of England said he doubted in "lots of different ways".

He said: "There are moments, sure, when you think, 'Is there a God?' 'Where is God?'"

What age are you baptized?

As babies. Under a year most usually. Both my dcs were baptised at around 6/7 months.

So do you have actual wine for communion? How do the little babies chew the bread/wafer?

I like the CoE confirmation timeline because you are required to examine why exactly you are staying in the church.

Our parents choose our Christening for us but then we choose to confirm that choice after reflecting on what exactly the choice we are making means.

It felt meaningful. And I enjoyed the discussions with the priest going into what all the different aspect of faith meant to us in different ways.

Yes it’s communion wine. It’s given with a communal spoon grim. I no longer have it since Covid, however, there are queues every Sunday, with children lining up first, then the elderly, then the rest of the congregation. Really long queues at Easter, where even I will go for communion!

I mean, I would say they shouldn't be clergy either. You can believe in a ' spiritual higher being' but then don't put yourself in front of people as their Christian guidance. Christianity is not ' ooh I'm so spiritual' it's a belief that Christ was the son of God! The definition of Christian atheists you've put there is what I would say I was. I would not become a nun because I think the rituals are important and I like singing hymns!

In reality of course, until recent times, most children were sent to confirmation classes and were confirmed regardless of their actual thoughts on the matter.

People who believe in the RF will believe anything they say, or put out for PR.. It's like his ' I'm learning Welsh on Duolingo' Anyone who has tried to learn Welsh on Duolingo knows that it's a very short, not updated programme, yet he has said the same thing every St Davids day since he became PoW. He is hardly short of time or money if he wanted to get a Welsh tutor. He is all PR, and it's the same with this. He believes in his right to be King. That's all. He has done the bare minimum as usual, getting his ' sources' to put out a nonsensical fawning leak to the press. Unfortunately for him the people who believe everything the RF says are diminishing either through age or dissilusionment.

Yes, if he says he's doing it on Duolingo then he's "just like us" which is their biggest PR drive of all.

Yes. At least Charles went off and learnt some Welsh. It was a 9 week crash course at Aberystwyth Uni. And he has given speeches in Welsh. William is not interested. Although him and Kate stood together saying some Welsh recently, I am sorry to say I laughed out loud as it was so stilted and was barely two sentences each.
I suppose I should admire them for trying....

I remember commenting on the Christmas Sandringham appearance 2024 how unwell many of the RF look. Completely shot down in flames.

Take no pleasure in it, I wish they would quietly fade away. Useless.

Quoted myself to say that William may be a Christian atheist ( which means he shouldn't be Head of the C of E) but he doesn't go to church, which is how Christian atheists are Christian atheists- because it's how they appreciate the traditions etc. He is saying he is Christian yet he doesn't bother to support the institution by going to church, despite being up for being the head of that institution. It's the ' l can't be bothered but I'll put some old nonsense out to cover up for the fact, and use my children as an excuse as to why I won't do anything I don't want to do'. I've no idea why people think his complete lack of effort means he will do anything to reform the Monarchy when he is King. There is no evidence whatsoever that he will do anything except reduce his own miniscule workload.

i don't get it. so PW said he couldn't go to church when he had children. yet he goes to church publicly with said children. 🙄