Support for Monarchy dwindling

[TheHaplessWit]

Support for Monarchy now down to 45%

Following on from the previous yougov polls, it seems the constant negativity about Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, William dodging tax / evicting people, Charles ignoring his brothers actions etc... has pushed royal support down to 45%.

How long until a future election process includes a party saying they'll have a referrendum on the Monarchy as part of their manifesto? probably not next time (3 years), but maybe the one after that?

I've come to the point where I carnt trust anything that comes from any member of the royal family. I think it my be time to end it all

They have an odd habit of bouncing back.

This may be the beginning of the end, KC has never had the popularity of his mother and the Monarchy is loosing its support a tiny amount with each generation. Of course it would no doubt be a long drawn out end, new laws, referendums, debates on what would replaced the system and how it would be managed etc. Last thing the country needs at the moment is a un-planned change, we are still reeling from the instability of a badly planned Brexit.

Or KC's statement will have put them back up a couple of % IF he does as he said he would help the police and is seen to do so, and IF as a result AMW is prosecuted, then his ratings may well bounce back to where they were previously.

The queen was incredibly unpopular when Diana died and enjoyed significant support at the end of her life. Support for the Royal Family has always ebbed and flowed. I think William will be incredibly popular when his time comes. He is a good option for king. KC was always going to have big shoes to fill.

“The proportion of the British public in favour of the monarchy has dropped to 45%, according to the survey commissioned by the anti-monarchy campaign group Republic”

I’m sensing a conflict of interest here…

I think they'd have done well to end on a high note when E2 died but that was never going to happen with a prince who'd waited seventy years to be top dog.

As it is they're dying a slow undignified death and I can't see anyone able or likely to turn that around in the wings.

I suspect W is stuffing his coffers as quickly as he can because he knows the gravy train is heading for the buffers.

I do think they need to take action, sending out platitudes isn't really cutting it.

It wasn't just Charlie it was Liz as well. She should have been ashamed of herself, throwing money at a vulnerable woman to try and shut her up.
I can't see it recovering tbh, William and Kate's statement yesterday was almost as callous. They've had all this time to make one but wait until William is doing a royal visit.
Moving Andrew into a slightly smaller house isn't enough.

Realistically I'm not sure anyone can be bothered to actually remove them and sort out a viable alternative Head of State and second house (to replace the Lords). 45% is more popular than most governments. Trump shows that a democratically elected President isn't necessarily better.

They have been very unpopular before but are still going, they change just enough to appease the societal changes in opinion but still keep hold of power. A slow decline in importance is more likely than a revolution.

It does feel a little bit different this time as Andrew has been actively acting against the interests of the UK if he has disclosed secret information, rather than just the normal drains on the economy

I don’t want to be a republic because I have no appetite for any more major constitutional reform. All it does is cost £££££ in reforming everything, only for things afterwards to be not that different to before. And I don’t want President Farage. The Royals aren’t the best bunch of people but the alternative isn’t much better.

If the police find enough evidence to suggest that Andrew has been involved in illegal activity then he should be prosecuted and I don’t think anyone would be sad about this

It doesn't matter what the polls say, they are not going anywhere. Not in my lifetime, my children's or my grandchildren's. They have an iron grip on our country that no government will have the balls to tackle.
The only thing that should happen IMO is change. Big change. William can do what he wants... hole up in his forever home doing sod all in between holidays, just sign a few papers. Someone thinking he is going to be a good Monarch... don't think so. The only attraction is the beautiful Kate (who does little too) and the gorgeous kids. But they'll grow up, Kate will hide away and what have we got? An empty shell of a Monarchy receiving £172million a year from us plus William's private pocket money of £27million from the Duchy.

Reform is needed! The riches, the financials, the 27 castles and estates, the sovereign grant, the two Duchies, all of it.

My personal opinion is that KC3 needs to abdicate in favour of William. I think it would be an honourable thing to do,

This story is never going to go away, as more and more Epstein files are released.

I feel sorry for KC3 in one way because the late QE2 really landed this on him; and as Prince of Wales I think your wings are clipped somewhat. And I think if he abdicated, people would be quite sympathetic.

I think this is a particularly low moment for the monarchy and they do need to ‘slim down’ but I’d rather have that than a president. Forget the jug eared thicko family - the soft power and majesty of the institution is far more valuable to this country than people realise.

I wish both King Charles and William would side step and make Anne the queen. Her majesty is far more commanding and she’d do a much better job.

There is very little 'majesty of the institution' at the moment. We are known all over the world for a monarchy that has shielded someone who was involved/part of/ complicit in the worst paedophilia ring ever.
Little majesty and soft power there.

Btw, just to be clear, I don’t know for sure but I don’t think that KC3 is entirely honourable btw as there have been lots of shenanigans with Fawcett and the bags of cash from the Middle East and question marks over Dumfries House. Some of these have been investigated internally I believe but no substantial wrongdoing is ever found,

But if Charles did abdicate in favour of William, it would draw a line under all of these really serious issues, he could avoid answering precisely how much he knew about AMW’s nefarious activities and he could avoid further scrutiny himself.

And he could do it and manage to come across as self-sacrificing at the same time.

If I was a man in a grey suit, that is what I would be advising anyway!

I think they’ll survive but W will have to go the Scandi route and we’ll only see the immediate family as royal. Don’t doubt there’s plenty of Scandi more distant relatives enjoying lovely lives on inherited money, but we’ll be less aware of them as the older lot retire or go to the great palace in the sky.

And what do you do, what the royal family don’t want you to know by Norman Baker is a very good read. It shows just what they get up to with tax dodges etc. He is working on a follow up. He was a member of the Privy Council so has all the facts.

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I can’t forgive them. They’ve all known for years Andrew is a sexual predator, they did/said zero.
When he gave his ridiculous “alibi” of bring at pizza Express, not with an underage teenager, they could easily have checked with his security detail and would have found out he was lying.
The Royals are only making statements now because they’re worried about themselves.

Yes there’s so much misinformation out there and unless you have done a deep dive in to it, people just tend to accept what is put out there in front of them.

For example, because I am interested in monarchy, or rather republicanism, and the evolution between the two, my sm algorithms keep showing me clips from ITV’s morning show, featuring interviews with Camilla Tominey and Gyles Brandreth.

I think as recently as yesterday morning, Gyles The Odious Sycophant was ringing his hands and saying the RF have isolated Andrew and that’s all they can do wah wah. I think Queen Camilla may even have written his script. 😃

Camilla Tominey was a little more circumspect but I think she works for the Telegraph which is basically the RF’s mouthpiece imho!

My serious point being, one of our major terrestrial broadcasters, ITV, churns out this gumph on its main daily morning show and the people they employ as royal analysts are very much pro-monarchy! Where is the balance?

I thought it was the BBC who was always accused of having pro-Monarchy leanings!

But it’s everywhere!

Why?

I think this is going to happen anyway, regardless of what Willis does re his generation, question is - does he withstand the appeal and draw of having Charlotte and Louis as working royals when they are interesting, good looking and fun young adults.

Pretty much once Charles’ generation dies, given th York girls are already being sidelined and Harry has removed himself and his children, it will be just the immediate family.

But they are already taking Charlotte and sometimes Louis to events and putting her in the public eye. Doesn’t bode well if William does want something different.

Absolutely!

If AMW had wanted to clear himself, all he had to do was get the ppo logs to confirm his story.

Instead he went up to Balmoral to evade answering questions from victims lawyers!

That is not the behaviour of an innocent man imho. And neither is paying £12 million to someone you have apparently never met!

I do think the fact the payoff to make Andrew’s “problems” just go away wasn’t just his elderly mum making a mistake, but King Charles also partially funded that is going to upset many.

Charles and say how much he cares about the victims etc but he handed over money to help Andrew escape justice.