Support for Monarchy dwindling

[TheHaplessWit]

Support for Monarchy now down to 45%

Following on from the previous yougov polls, it seems the constant negativity about Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, William dodging tax / evicting people, Charles ignoring his brothers actions etc... has pushed royal support down to 45%.

How long until a future election process includes a party saying they'll have a referrendum on the Monarchy as part of their manifesto? probably not next time (3 years), but maybe the one after that?

Yes this is a very uncomfortable truth as reported by Andrew Lownie. I thought it was the late QE2 who funded the majority of the loan but…

It says in Entitled that AMW settled on 15 Feb 2022 for just over £10 million.

£4 million and the rest paid in monthly instalments, financed from the proceeds of the Verbier chalet and a bridging loan from Prince Charles.

AMW also agreed to make a substantial donation to a charity, thought to be £2 million paid by the late Queen “and accept that VG had ‘suffered as an established victim of abuse.’

In return there were no admissions of liability by AMW but non-disclosure restrictions on Giuffre.

Lownie also reports that there was pressure from Charles to shut the trial down.

I suspect KC3 will be regretting that now, and the bridging loan!

Interesting.
That will put a spanner in the works re blaming Elizabeth

See I think they are the organ grinders. Their ' favour' and culture of deference corrupts all around them. There is of course corruption without the hereditary principle but as we have seen from Mandleson they can and often do getvtheir just dessert. They can be removed from office.

Get rid of the royals

People will still visit their castles and residences

Charles is a billionaire and his son’s not far behind. They will cope 😊

I must have missed this in 'Entitled'. There was a lot of information there.

Absolutely shocking and even more shocking in the context of C3's posturing over the removal of titles, houses, honours and the mealy mouthed statements made on his behalf.

Yet again they take us for mugs 😡

It's interesting that the ski chalet sale realised some cash. The deal was delayed by outstanding debt IIRC. It finally went through after MW had defaulted on the agreed repayment schedule leaving the owner having to threaten court proceedings to recover her money. In the end she agreed to accept around half the amount she was owed to settle the matter and move on.

Pretty sure I've read reports she was enraged by the royal payout designed to keep MW out of a court case and ensure the party wasn't overshadowed.

I’ve just looked it up in Entitled…

Lownie states that in April 2020…

“… It came to light that Andrew and his former wife were also being sued by a former close friend, Isabelle de Rouvre, for £6.7 million still owed for their ski chalet in Verbier, bought from her in a private sale. The payment had been due by the end of 2019. De Rouvre had previously rented out the seven-bedroom chalet, with six full-time staff, for £22,000 a week, and the Yorks had been regular renters.

After the sale, they had divided the property, with Andrew taking the upper floor and attic and Sarah the lower floor and basement.

The duke and duchess would subsequently sell the chalet, reputedly for £19 million. De Rouvre described dealing with Andrew as ´a horrible experience. I do not understand how he operates and I feel very sorry for people who are involved with him in business.’ “

Later on in Entitled, Lownie states,

“Further evidence of the couple’s wealth came in August 2022 when the duchess bought a pair of flats in a mews house in Belgravia for £4.25 million as a rental investment for her daughters, much to the irritation of Isabelle de Rouvre, who earlier had settled for £3.4 million, rather than the £6.7 million due to her, as she believed the couple ‘didn’t have a penny’ … . It is a dirty story as far as I am concerned.’ “

I would love to hope that William would welcome an end so that his own children can live more of their own lives, particularly George.

Maybe he's hedging his bets by putting his kids in the public eye.

I honestly don't think that W+K would be in the least bit upset if their roles were disbanded for whatever reason. No I doubt they'd care that they didn't have to pretend to work and be gossiped about and lead relatively normal lives.

As long as they keep their wealth though.

I'd be happy enough if anything that could legally be removed from the RF grasp would be. There's a lot to unpick there, but it might be easier to do that than abolish the monarchy.

It's the lavish wealth and the source of much of it that annoys me, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

It will endure. They have incredible PR. KC has had a lot to clean up. William will be a very popular king. And I believe Harry will feature somehow in future UK royal duties. In the meantime they’ll keep focus on the wholesome family members.

I honestly don't think that W+K would be in the least bit upset if their roles were disbanded for whatever reason. No I doubt they'd care that they didn't have to pretend to work and be gossiped about and lead relatively normal lives
if that was the case why are they preparing their younger children for exactly the same life? They could protect the children until they are adults, not give them titles and then allow Louis and Charlotte at least develop their own interests and lead private lives. They do not have a constitutional role. William is already planning to do hardly anything so what do they think their children are going to do for the RF?

The more I think about it, the more I think it’s nonsense. I admired the Queens duty, I think Charles seems a nice enough bloke and cares for wildlife, William and Catherine seem like a nice couple raising good kids. BUT they are just people who happen to be born or marry into a position. Dimbleby’s recent documentary was also very persuasive that we should get rid. I love the tradition and pageant of it all but it’s time for change.

Agree💯

KC is not just our King. What about the other countries?

I think Dimbleby's doc was a bit of a turning point. He's part of a dynasty.

The father war reporter, host of Panorama, David nearly 40 years host of Election night coverage for BBC, Jonathan current affairs presenter and historian
And if David can present a three parter called"What's the Monarchy for?" I think they are in trouble and big big change is needed

Definitely agree

I get the impression that Will & Kate would like nothing better than to leave it all behind & go & do their own thing.

I totally agree that W&C would not be at all sad if the RF as it is ended.

They would still be enormously wealthy because who really knows what wealth the Royals have - from reading the Norman Baker book it is very well hidden.

I can't imagine they want the crazy scrutiny of their children as they approach their teenage years.

Dwindling, not!
Support might fluctuate down and up but support for the BRF is still high.
I am confident and happy with the opinion of the public in denouncing Andrew's behaviour, causing his popularity to plummet.
I have less confidence in the authenticity of every Epstein file that has been released. Epstein had form form for not being trusted, hiding his crimes and gaining favour from contacts.
Some files will have been completely fabricated; some will be truth..

Good to hear, get rid of the useless scroungers.

That is not what they have demonstrated! They have thrown their kids to the crowds at every opportunity. There is no need, every Christmas to make the ridiculous spectacle of some of the richest children in the world take presents from the lonely and mentally unstable unless they are using the children to desperately curry favour for the RF, and are expecting them to spend the rest of their lives doing everything exactly the same as they always have. They have caused this, because the more they allow access to their children, the more people expect.

The whole concept is quite ridiculous and should be dismantled.

Sod the other countries. How much in monetary terms do they support the RF?

I haven’t been a royalist since I reached adulthood and stopped believing the myth, but I think this should be the final nail. It’s an outdated system of inherited power and wealth irrespective of merit, yet we were sold on the legend that they were decent and selfless and lived to serve. This lays bare the reality that we serve them, in funding their lifestyles. Andrew isn’t the first to be close to a known paedophile, in fact the Royal family appear to associate with more prolific abusers than anyone else! Republic now.

It all seems pointless and outdated.

It all ended with Queen Elizabeth really. There seem to have been endless tragedies and scandals since.