Support for Monarchy dwindling

[TheHaplessWit]

Support for Monarchy now down to 45%

Following on from the previous yougov polls, it seems the constant negativity about Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, William dodging tax / evicting people, Charles ignoring his brothers actions etc... has pushed royal support down to 45%.

How long until a future election process includes a party saying they'll have a referrendum on the Monarchy as part of their manifesto? probably not next time (3 years), but maybe the one after that?

If the Monarchy ended, w and K would still be rich and privileged, like the ex Kings and Queens around Europe (Greece?). However, like owners of stately homes they probably don’t want to be the ones that end the line.

It’s not surprising given support for the monarchy is down given the revelations regarding Andrew

but I don’t believe the entire family or institution should come under attack just because of him. None of us would want to take blame for the actions of our siblings

As I see the poll has come from the anti monarchy brigade so its biased as they want them out anyway. It has little to do with Andrew in reality

but I don’t believe the entire family or institution should come under attack just because of him. None of us would want to take blame for the actions of our siblings

If there was a huge cover up, yes blame should be apportioned. Not the entire family of course, but relevant members

Agree if Charles has initiated a cover up of anything illegal.
Has he?

( This reminds me of the case of Harry Dunn killed by Anne Sacoolas. She should have been made to stand trial here, not given immunity. Now that was a clear cover up and I wouldn’t be surprised if Andrews council use such a case as precedent …a slippery slope )

Of course Charles is complicit. As was his mother, QE2

Of course it is not illegal, a very slow process is in hand by Thames Valley police and the Met, we don't know yet

So do you think a family with a huge enterprise surrounding them, access to the highest levels of security, huge numbers of staff who we pay for to ensure that their affairs are run properly are entirely blameless? What have they all been doing, and more importantly, what's to stop it happening again? Unless they take a good, hard look at the way the Palaces are run nothing will be resolved. They are all tarred with this, because they either turned a blind eye, didn't care, or cannot run the Palaces properly.

I’m not sure what the number of staff, security, the running of the estate etc has to do with anything.
Are you referring to Andrew or something else.?

As I see the poll has come from the anti monarchy brigade so its biased as they want them out anyway. It has little to do with Andrew in reality

Plenty of people will have become anti monarchy because of Andrew.

Epstein and Maxwell have been photographed on thrones at BP, several times at Balmoral, at Beas 18th birthday party with Weinstein, AMW has been photographed with several young girls at Sandringham. All of these are Royal residences, with an absolute ton of security. Yet a paedophile and his Madam used Royal resudences as their UK holiday homes. Yet they didn't know what was going on at all. No one told them.
Young girls were just waved through the doors with not one of upwards of 1000 staff noticing.
He was Trade Envoy for 10 years. Those documents about AMW's time as Trade envoy were sealed for 100 years, but again, nothing to do with them.
In 2011 Buckingham Palace put out a statement saying VG was lying about the allegations, despite all of this happening under their noses. They just meekly followed the orders of AMW and put out an OFFICIAL statement without the knowledge of anyone else in the family, including the Head of State? Do you believe that no one, in a family of what 8 adults knew about this? No one told them? They were entirely ignorant of everything that was going on under their noses until a week ago? TLQ didnt once think to say in her weekly meetings with the PM 'Anything on Epstein? Hes a friend of my DS and DDil'.
If that is the case, they need a mass clearout of their staff because they are completely incompetent. Some would say criminally imcompetent. '

I’m sure
but the poll upthread is biased and that’s an important fact when considering where stats come from.
If from a biased source they are unreliable

A YouGov poll states 62% of Brits still support the monarchy despite the Andrew revelations.

Then they’ll have to prove whether there was a cover up and who in the Royal family was involved.

That’s the way the law works.

62% sounds pretty low to me. That's 12 points away from half the country fed up with them.

We agree on that. Whether it happens is another question. The law doesn't seem to make much difference when it comes to the RF.

I certainly don't support them, and have never filled in any survey about my feelings regarding the rf either, so I sometimes wonder how they come up with these statistics.

Tbh honest Simpson it was higher than I expected

@LadyKenya if you sign up to YouGov surveys they email them to you. It’s always good I think to have your voice heard. YouGov surveys are highly regarded

I think that there may well be damaging stuff to come about how much Charles knew re his brother.
I guess the question is whether the public will wear it, or should he abdicate in favour of Prince of Wales.

Think the oldies need to retire and let William and Kate take over

I don't think that will happen in a million years.
Doing so would look like some sort of admission of guilt and the royals don't do that.

Just so the circus can rumble on....

I don't rate either of them TBH and I doubt they will revitalise anything, or make the RF more popular or "acceptable".

They are complicit along with the rest of those who knew things. Make no mistake about that.

The RF star is waning now, and I say that as someone who is neutral. But I am not a fool either.

but I don’t believe the entire family or institution should come under attack just because of him. None of us would want to take blame for the actions of our siblings

We've just found out several of them were digging deep to help fund his civil case settlement and thereby keep E2's party on track.

They lay themselves open to attack time and time again with their self serving actions.

C3 waited seventy years to get the top gig.

The only way he'll retire is when the grim reaper comes calling just like Mama before him.

Can I ask why you think W & K are a better option?

All the indications are W plans to do less work while keeping his nose firmly stuck in the trough.

W & K won’t want KC abdicating because if he does they might actually have to do some work.

I am a Republican but I think this would be the best practical solution short term.

I think KC3 could spin retiring on health grounds without admitting guilt.

Edited: He is guilty I think of covering up but realistically he won’t admit it as he has the protection of being in the top job.

However, a thorough official investigation should be instigated calling ambassadors, diplomats, private secretaries ppos, to make statements about AMW’s time as trade envoy under oath and the Foreign Office and the Dept of Trade need to publish all of the outstanding documents, which should already by law, be in the public domain.

And William could take over but he would have to make quite radical changes I think, when he said to Levy that his changes will be fairly conservative. I don’t think that will be good enough any more in the light of the seriousness of all of this.

The public need to be able to trust that the monarchy will be accountable for its actions like other public serving organisations and subject to outside scrutiny, as they have made such a rotten job of policing themselves. And the public need to be able to trust that the same things won’t be allowed to happen again!

The RF don’t need this obsessive secrecy if they are doing everything above board! William loves secrecy though so I’m not confident of it working … .

Very much agree with this, simpsonthecat; TBH I was surprised to see it happen at all and appalled by the lack of answers various politicians had to his very insightful questions

@Shakeastick432 I agree with everything you say. I think William will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into it though because, as you say, he doesn't want scrutiny. Hes the other cheek of the arse that is Harry. He will only streamline and make the operation accountable if all the people you mention are hauled out into the open and he has to, to save the Monarchy. I suspect he will find it far more difficult to find people willing to turn a blind eye and who have the level of subservience that allowed TLQ to get away with so much, especially if the people who have been turning a blind eye for all this time are publicly eviscerated and the RF do what they always do and throw them under the bus to save themselves.