Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

DH and I. Who needs the support of the West - Israel!

That's hardly evidence. Lots of countries have the support of the west. It's just a baseless conspiracy theory.

I think the TLQ will take the blame as we move forward. She's dead so that's that.

I agree! Great post!

It’s also becoming apparent that spies and dodgy business folk target the RF precisely because they are not subject to the same rules and inspections and accountability as other organisations.

They have become a weak link in national
security.

I never said it was evidence. Where would the average citizen get evidence on what Epstein, GM and Peter Mandelson were up to?

Apologies if this has been posted but as one who supports a Constitutional monarchy this needs to be drilled down I think. I am all for financial transparency for the WRF ( which he was at the time )

Again sorry if repeating. But I do think this (if true ) needs investigation without fear or favour.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15540483/Andrew-shared-confidential-information-Epstein-trade-envoy.html

Interesting the DM have reported this . A lot of comments comparing Mandleson having his house searched because of allegations about him doing the same thing, but AMW not. The RF PR are floundering with their usual tricks of intimidating the press and staff and whining that people should be talking about their visit to a care home instead of the massive worldwide scandal they are all embroiled in.

So there's no evidence, you've just pulled it out your arse. Got it.

@RainbowBagels - I do agree somewhat with you. As I have said before , to paraphrase - The mills of the Rf grind slowly , but they grind exceedingly fine" .
I am not sure I have seen "whining" from the WRF, and why would they stop their normal booked engagements. But I would agree with you that as well as the day to day things , these other things should be absolutely be being discussed behind the scenes - DEFCON 1 style. 😂

They shouldnt of course stop planned engagements but they do quite often release 'We should all concentrate on X, Y,Z we're doing, its far nore important. They even referred to Prince Edwards bothched statement where he said ' no one is interested in this' before wanging on awkwardly 'about all the victims' of Epstein which sounded like sonething hed been told to say by BP but he made it sound like he thought the RF and AMW were victims too!

Why not
she is dead - so can’t defend herself
she obviously knew what Andrew was like
as she paid 12 million out to Virginia Guthrie
She had Andrew accompany and walk in with her holding his arm to the church for Prince Philip’s funeral

it’s already been mentioned in the papers that the late Queen should take some responsibility for Andrew’s tawdry lifestyle
and so she should

I agree I think they will say no one could say anything bad to the Queen about Andrew as he was the queens favourite son

Ooh, developments in The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-william-kate-epstein-files-95q79qmvm

I’ll try and get an archive link.

Here we go (from the Times):

https://archive.ph/OQ2nS

Excerpt from the text:

The Prince and Princess of Wales are “deeply concerned” by the revelations about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor in the Epstein files.
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In their first official statement on the scandal, the couple said their thoughts “remain focused on the victims”.
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Speaking to journalists in Riyadh, a Kensington Palace spokesman said: “I can confirm that the prince and princess have been deeply concerned by the continuing revelations. Their thoughts remain focused on the victims.”
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It came as William, 43, prepared to make a three-day visit to Saudi Arabia where he is expected to visit Riyadh and the historic desert oasis of Al’Ula and hold meetings with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

So Kensington Palace (aka William the Prince of Wales) is briefing journalists in Riyadh, away from the King and Queen. Is this William starting to put his foot down again? Or is he part of a choreographed royal charade?

I’d also be interested to know exactly how much agency Catherine has here, and if it being expressed or suppressed.

Timing is exceptionally lucky for A & the royal family, the sudden moonlight flit with whole of royal lodge emptied out! I wonder where all that paperwork, computer etc are at the moment, not in either of A's homes I bet. We thought it was the king putting his foot down but it could be he knew there was incriminating evidence which has now vanished!!

The monarchy needs to go. It is no surprise that when human beings are cosseted and flattered to the extent the RF are, it is really bad for their characters and they gain a skewed perspective and unreasonable sense of entitlement.

We can see that entitlement in their righteous irritation when anyone presumes to inconvenience them by merely asking them to comment on AMBW's actions (we can see it in Prince Edward's dismissive response last week 'nobody here is interested in that' as well as the heavy-handed response to members of the public asking them questions when out & about).

They are just not capable of reforming or redeeming themselves. I suspected that much was covered up but I am still shocked at how bad it really is, the extent of the corruption. They must all have known; and I can sense that we are still only seeing the tip of the iceberg as to what is going on. But true to form the Palace are even now trying to suppress the facts.

Thanks for this, Basilisk.

I knew I'd seen the five minute turnaround reference somewhere but wasn't able to find it again. It's here in all it's shame.

I agree entirely it warrants further investigation.

How handy for Andy the police aren't allowed onto royal property without permission from the monarch.

Mandy might wish the same applied for him.

So this careful statement comes via a 'spokesman speaking to journalists' rather than directly from the horse's mouth?

It's almost like it was prepared by a crisis manager...

So W meeting with Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman - who sanctioned the murder of Jamal Kashoggi, the Saudi dissident journalist in the Turkish consulate in Istanbul in 2018. What a surprise. Not.

Take that up with the government @MidWayThruJanuary though id love to know what would happen if William refused to meet him.

Watching sky news currently and it’s clear that the trip is important for the uk.

That’s not true @NewAgeNewMe
Didnt Charles once refuse to meet trump ?
Trump was president at the time
Then we had William as Trumps lap dog in Paris a few years later

That statement was just more meaningless words .
Where was William’s ‘concern’ for the victims when William took part in theAndrewPR stunt - driving him to church? Or when Andrew was poncing around in his garter robes - William said and did nothing then .

It’s deeply cynical. Some probably wrote it handed it out and slapped Williams name on it as part of their PR game .
Old hat and insincere.
Theyd be better saying nothing at this stage and actually DO something

@NewAgeNewMe
Yes I certainly will write to my MP.

I wasn’t referring to the statement @Ukisgaslit i was referring to William’s visit. I may be being dim this morning though as have a sinus infection again.

I realise that you were referring to William’s visit @NewAgeNewMe You said the royals are forced to do those visits . But Charles refused to meet trump even when trump was president

I agree with you @MidWayThruJanuary

Ahh I see thank you.