Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

@Zippedydodah
It would have been planned months ago, long before any of the Epstein stuff was released

Exactly . Just because it was only announced a few weeks ago doesn’t mean it hasn’t been months of planning .

" sign at the LAST stage"

Or have a bloody good reason not to.

Do you want to take a wild guess about whether other ‘constitutional monarchies’ allow their monarchs red boxes ?

We don’t need to guess . Of course they don’t . It’s yet another unique Windsor ‘privilege’ - similar to the coronation we have imposed on us. European monarchs can’t do that either.
Coronations are also propaganda.

That's right. From Valentine Low's book:

The programme of visits is decided by the Royal Visits Committee, which meets twice a year. It is chaired by the permanent undersecretary of the Foreign Office and includes the private secretaries from the royal households, the national security adviser, and representatives from Number 10, the Cabinet Office, and other government departments.

I don't think it's fair to describe William's visit as a "jolly" - though that word aptly describes Andrew's various trips abroad.

The Times also state it is Maxwell trust fund but with this bunch of crooks its anyones guess!
No one at the time believed there was no money left, maxwell stole over £400 million. Phillip Green copied Maxwell to the tune of £571 million but he was force to pay back £363 million so still £200 million short.
It is obscene these people get away with it, destroying lives while still be able to carry on as millionaires.

In fact in some important ways the UK is not a constitutional monarchy at all .
And references to other European constitutional monarchies is really a fig leaf hiding how we allow the Windsors to operate

The red boxes really need to stop
Why would the Windsors object ? They claim to be apolitical don’t they ?

We’ve always believed Mossad funded Epstein and by extension GM, to gather incriminating evidence on the elite in the West, to blackmail them into continuing their support for Israel, and we still do.

They love the Saudi Royals. All that cash, all that unlimited power...

We? Do you have any evidence for this?

And a state visit from the president of Nigeria coming up.

Could the royal family veto or amend a government request around a royal visit, like it can interfere with statues via the wicker and red boxes, I wonder.

Because of the constitutional position of the monarchy vision a vis parliament, as set forth in the 1688 Act of Settlement.

The PM is 'his majesty's prime minister'. The political remit of the sovereign was completely curtailed by the Act, but the assertion that parliament's authority came from the sovereign was a convenient way to avoid future civil wars over succession or the balance of power between parliament and sovereign. These were hot button issues throughout the 17th century, under the Stuarts.

Over the centuries, parliament has become even more entrenched and its powers have become more and more real and tangible while the monarchy's role has become more and more ephemeral and symbolic. Nevertheless, the polite fiction of the sovereign as the source of parliament's authority remains.

Now that AMW is no longer a prince and just a relative of the monarch, existing in a sort of limbo, the PM has decided (presumably on the advice of constitutional lawyers) that he can make public statements about how he thinks AMW should conduct himself. This would not have been considered possible before AMW was stripped of his titles - he would have to have got the nod from KCIII before making a statement.

He actually could have pushed the envelope, but that is not how things are done. The niceties have to be observed. It may well be that he had some sort of nod from KCIII to make the statement he made.Stuart's.

And no, the UK is not technically a democracy. It is a constitutional monarchy.

@mathanxiety

I was referring to the idea that the Windsors are apolitical . They are not.

’Constitional monarchy ‘ is a wide term

The UK allows much more overreach by the monarch than other European countries do. The red boxes for example.
Other European constitutional monarchies do not allow this sort of interference.
The whole red box system only benefits the Windsors as it helps to create the impression that they are somehow ‘holding up’ our system . It is unnecessary and can and should be stopped .

That was me - I can’t remember exactly where I read it it was a few years ago

I'd never heard of TerraMar until today, but it does make me wonder if there's any truth in some reports that the Sussexes' charity, Archwell (sp?) exists as a means of churning.

I was aware of TerraMar but had forgotten it.

I do think there are financial questions to answer in very many royal charities and initiatives C3's, H's and now after WildAid, W's too.

I hope the MW spotlight swings on the lot of them.

I think that eventually the palace will blame the Queen 😂
no one could override her decisions

Andrew was well known to be her favourite

she paid £12 million to protect her favourite son

shes dead so can’t refute anything 😂

Just as a matter of interest, how many posters in this forum would want all their e-mails going back twenty years or more making public? I know I wouldn’t, even if it’s just indiscretions or moans about friends or family members.

I can't imagine anyone might be interested in my shopping history or co-ordinating visits with bro.

What's in yours?!

The late Queen as the fall guy?

Maybe Andrew could hint that he works for MI6? ‘Spy Family York: The International Years’.

I’m sure Amanda Thirsk would be able to provide quite an insight into a lot of AMW’s exploits if and when she is asked to.

Her name comes up time and time again.

How she's escaped detailed examination is beyond me.

Don't worry.

Half term next week.

Time to recover from the nasty awfulness with another hands-on Daddy jaunt

I think that eventually the palace will blame the Queen

I wonder how they'll square that with the proposed £46m statue we're apparently coughing for?

The government needs to step up & see that Andrew gets fully investigated & taken to court.
No ifs & buts, as he's an ordinary citizen now.

I was an ardent royal family supporter but now I'm becoming to think we need to get rid of the monarchy. It's a gilded cage which can allow monsters to flourish in plain sight.
It's also cruel to the people born it, as The Crown matters more than the individual & makes Dynasty/Dallas etc look like Playschool/In The Night Garden.

After KC3 passes it should stop. Maybe to pacify the masses William (or Kate) could be offered first dibs as ceremonial head of state President (like they do in Ireland & other countries) but as Mr William Wales & the tenure should be no longer than 10yrs then a new president elected.

If it works in other countries where the Prime Minister is the person in charge & the President just the ceremonial figurehead then it should work here too.

It’s now including the money for ‘replacement of the bridge’, conveniently.