Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

If we are to believe that Beatrice and Eugenie were neglected, groomed, not safeguarded, which are things I’ve read here and elsewhere, it’s actually even worse for the whole RF. Not one person in that entire family stepped in and protected them.

Whatever way you look at this, it’s time the Royals were gone.

The future Queen of Norway involved with Epstein, how many more?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15522905/Future-Queen-Norways-bond-sweetheart-Epstein-Paedophile-called-married-Princess-twisted-mutual-friend-asked-wants-carry-kid-stayed-loyal-months-suicide.html

I agree. No fan of the royals at all but they would not have been street smart kids. Internet was still in its infancy. This was just some dull, rich, creepy friend that their parents seemed really, really, REALLY keen to be around.

I agree and there have been lots of times in the past where a rich Arab or two have paid thousands towards their weddings or given them mega expensive jewellery. And there's plenty I'm sure that isn't in the public domain.... yet

I think of Eugenie and Beatrice as victims too. From what I read, Sarah Ferguson is very controlling and would use anyone to get what she wants.

I read that Eugenie was away at school for 4 years and not one family member visited her in that time. I can’t find it now so I don’t know how true that is. All of them are dysfunctional certainly.

They've said Princess Sofia of Sweden as well

Though I would be very interested to know if Mette-Marit and Sofia met him after joining the respective royal families (which I suspect is the case).

Going after those two feels very off to me - Mette Marit was a single mother when she married in and Sofia had been a glamour model/aspiring actress. If they met after they were royal then why isn't the story that they were introduced to such a vile man by the rich royal families, rather than actually gunning after two women who take a lot of stick purely for their backgrounds?

I still cannot fathom how TLQ ,who was lauded for decades for her attention to detail across all spheres of her life, did not intervene. It beggars belief that she would allow her grandchildren to be dragged into this murky world.

If Beatrice and Eugenie were abused (which I hope they weren't), their parents probably didn't even give the possibility a thought. Andrew was abused as a child, according to Andrew Lownie is a sex addict, and Fergie seems to be promiscuous. Andrew's great uncle was a paedophile. It's a world full of sex without boundaries, which is all part of the obscene, ridiculous privilege. Good on William and Catherine retreating to their latest home, isolated amidst acres of parkland.

You are obviously free to think what you wish and I'm not going to dispute that Sarah is a horrondous person, as is Andrew for that matter.
But for me the only people who should be referred to as victims in this thing are Virginia Giuffre and all the other women who were in her position.

Whenever I see Fergie, Beatrice & Eugenie, I really struggle to not think of the Featheringtons from Bridgerton.

Both are desperate to be part of the aristocracy but have no power, no talent, no work ethic, no morals & no money (except through marriage).

Their only contribution has been to further prove that the monarchy is full of terrible people and should be abolished.

Why 20 people should own dozens of mansions whilst 1000's are on waiting list for homes is just immoral - especially when half those 20 are bad people.

William and Kate also got a free yacht holiday from a middle Eastern source but very little is ever said about that ..

I really don't understand why Epstein is paying for flights. For Fergie. Let alone the girls too.

I mean, I know he enjoyed the cover being associated with Royalty gave him, but what did he receive in exchange?

It can't just have been SF's delightful company.

Why did he give her so many loans?

Also why are the actual Princesses being expected to fly economy (allowable?) but SF divorced Duchess is upgraded to business? So she's sitting separately to her daughters?

I agree with the poster back a few pages who made the point that 15 year old Shamima Begum was likely groomed online by radical political Islamists (and her family have seemed to avoid scrutiny but one wonders what was being said at home, or if there was any emotional neglect) but we treated her as having made decisions as a fully capable adult and ignored her plea to return, which was wrong imo. By that standard B & E were also fully capable adults who could also tell right from wrong and it's a bit hypocritical to say otherwise.

Then again you could say both judgements were wrong.

How they have behaved since is far more important imo,

They had a lot of other family that should have been concerned for their welfare but they would all have ignored it if it happened, like they ignored and covered up Andrew’s behaviour.

William and Kate let their children hug and take selfies with strangers on the Xmas walk. They were laughing with Fergie at that funeral. None come off well as parents. They need to protect their children Let’s not pretend that they’re having to have yet another home to get away from all the wrong ‘uns and strangers that they place themselves and their children around. Thats laughable.

My daughter is 18 and if I told her she was coming to visit mums friend in the US she would tag along. No-one even knows what they were aware of, and 18 and 19 are young adults. Personally I think its a stretch to put any blame on them. Let’s stop directing blame on women for the crimes of this man!

They can’t stop, they have no other means of funding the extravagant lifestyle they think they deserve. Their husbands aren’t £20m ski lodge wealthy. Without trading on their royal titles and access, B & E don’t have the kind of earning power to buy a 3 bed terrace in Hackney.

The footage from the Duchess of Kent's funeral shows William and Catherine giving Fergie and Andrew the cold shoulder. I don't know what footage You've seen.

As for the hugs and selfies, it's part of training them for public life. At the time, I wondered if they talked with their parents about not accepting the offer of Z hug if they didn't want to.They were surrounded by people and cameras. No chance at all of them coming to harm.

This is the crux of it I think and I hope their advisors, if they have any, are saying “enough now, live within your means and disappear out of the public eye”

But would they listen?

My daughter is 17 and would ask who the friend is. If that friend had been to prison for procuring a child for prostitution, which had been in the news, she’d think I’d lost my mind if I suggested a visit and would most definitely refuse to come.

Beatrice and Eugenie are not stupid. They went to good schools, had social lives, gained qualifications. Let’s not infantilise to suit an agenda.

They are now in their 30s and have chosen to stand by their father until recently when one has apparently stepped back. They’re not as bad as their father obviously, but their behaviour is still disgraceful.

Another poster posted a photo. There is footage on YouTube. William and Kate turn to Fergie, chat and laugh before turning back around.

Children should not be trained to hug strangers or be introduced to stalkers by name. I can’t help you if you can’t see that is harmful. It’s not normal. It’s terrible parenting,

When it comes to William and Kate's children WE the people need to protect them too

I remember being stuck up West End a few years ago. It was seriously hot and I felt unwell and was desperate for water. I reluctantly went inside a tacky souvenir shop as it was the only one with a small confectionery counter and bought a drink, but it struck me suddenly all the rows of tacky memorabilia with W&K, George and Charlotte's images on them and how wrong and unfair that was.

We should really set the Royal Family free and replace them with a nominated constitutional head.

But failing that, we do need to grow up a bit and adjust our expectations of what is required.

We should stop the archaic 'presentation of the newborn heir' on the hospital steps

Stop calling out to the children when they're out and about with their parents.

Perhaps open walks along crowds of strangers should stop whilst the children are very young and should happen when they're in their teens.

The press should not be allowed to take photos willy Billy. The family can take a formal family photograph a few times a year and they can be briefly filmed at important events

Absolutely no images of the children on crappy cups and tea caddys.

No need to constantly have Royals trotted out to perform charity events for their supper.

The entire approach needs re-evaluation.

A slimmed down monarchy. More privacy. Titles restrained to direct heirs. Some palaces or dwellings given over fully to the public. Less grace and favour to younger Royals. All Royals being expected to do reasonably well in education (as long as their capable) so they can get jobs on some personal merit.

I agree and there have been lots of times in the past where a rich Arab or two have paid thousands towards their weddings or given them mega expensive jewellery. And there's plenty I'm sure that isn't in the public domain.... yet

I understand that both their husbands are extremely well off. They own huge mansions

Exactly. Why can't they just go away and live their lives instead of hanging around like a bad York smell.
Mark my words, they will be sat every day in a carriage going up Ascot racecourse ... they did the Christmas pap walk so it's obvious they are not going to keep a low profile.

I don't get it. I would not want to show my face. I would be embarrassed. I would reset everything and be with my husband and children and live a rich privileged life. But no, they are Sarah and Andrew's children so won't do that.