Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

[TheRealGossipGirl]

For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

The whole sickening thing is a disgrace and I hate to think what else we will find out.

the rich and elite will always protect their own and their own interests.

morals come last.

At ages 19 and 20 both girls were absolutely old enough to fully understand the gravity of the offences he was jailed for. Their behaviour is shameful and brings into question whether they had any further dealings with Epstein or goodness knows who else. It has been alleged by Lownie that both of them have had very questionable financial dealings in the past and some dodgy business associations in the Middle East.

I dunno. They could be totally innocent but it seems unlikely somehow.

but that quote about Eugenie having a “shagging weekend” must have stung.

At that age, a lot of teenagers are still very much under their parents' thumb and dependent on their approval, finances etc. I think it is easy at that age to feel coerced into social occasions, imagining they are fun without giving them too much thought. They'd have to be very independent to see what these manipulative adults were really like, and not be influenced by their parents' attitudes, and they were probably raised not to be independent critical thinkers, but to keep mummy and daddy happy. You are being harsh.

Calling this “harsh” feels like setting the bar extremely low. At 19 and 20, they were old enough to know that celebrating the release of a convicted sex offender isn’t a harmless social event, whatever parental pressure existed.

Acknowledging influence doesn’t require pretending they had no moral awareness at all.

Exactly..irrespective of parental pressure both girls were old enough and presumably had awareness of the horrific nature of Epsteins convictions. Anyone with an ounce of decency and common sense would know that celebrating the release of that filth is beyond the pale and brings serious questions about at least their moral character and whether they are embroiled in this as much as their hideous parents.

I agree with this.

I too agree with @Tonissister

Yes, there were 19/20 but that isn’t “fully formed” adults in my mind. Especially for young women kept in the bubble of elite schools and then uni. Still very much dependent on Ma and Pa.

SF and AMW are, at the very least, grifters who would sell their own grannies for a lavish holiday or three.

He is an abuser who should be brought to justice. She is an enabler and an apologist. They both disgust me.

Oh come on, they’re all in it for the money. Grifters.

Weren't a lot of the girls/women reported to be trafficked around that age? Why are they victims but Beatrice and Eugene are in the wrong?
I wouldn't say anyone's a fully grown adult at 19/20, even less so ones that had grown up in a protective bubble and not experienced the real world to the same degree as the general public.

They are ALL awful.

I got the impression that SF rather fancied the loathsome paedo. The messages I have read seem gushing and flirty. This could have been a factor in her enabling the whole relationship and brushing off any concerns that Beatrice and Eugenie might have expressed. Yes they were old enough to know better, but quite sheltered and probably used to Mummy fluttering he lashes at people that might be useful. It probably just felt like another rich person that might cover rent and two weeks in St Mortiz to them....

Snouts in the trough..the lot of them.🐷🐷🐷🐷

I have zero time for those two. Zero.

They are both utter sycophants and parasites on the UK tax payer.

Beatrice is it? (I confuse them) with her fake slavery charity??? Give me strength.

Nearly as bad as Harry, spouting about saving animals then he shot a RHINO a few years before in Africa???!

so 2 women are to blame for a man's action?

Eugenie: working to end modern slavery.

Whilst her dad's sleeps with under age kids and she benefits from eating a pedophile's vegetable lasagna days after his jail release.

This ⬆️.

So Beatrice and Eugenie with the heavy influence of their parents were spending time with Epstein.
A disgusting sex offender but also an attractive and charming man who seemed to have been expert in keeping friends close and protecting/supporting them. He’s likely a highly skilled groomer which is how these men operate.

As fairly sheltered and easily controlled young women, barely out of their teens, they likely trusted their parents and therefore their choice of friends.
Maybe Eugenie getting involved in a trafficking and modern slavery charity is a way for her to make amends/contribute positively because of what happened.

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I doubt either are overly blessed with critical thinking skills given their genetics.

Exactly this.

Did B and E have any kind of relationship with Epstein independently of their parents?

All four of them repulse me. The documents from when A was trade envoy need unlocking (why on earth was that allowed?). There needs to be an investigation into their finances.

Will B&E throw their parents under the bus over this? I don’t believe for one second they are naive to all these issues, but there is no way I would want Sarah and Andy anywhere near my kids.

Put them all in the Tower.

I bet they don’t really understand why he was in prison and both parents would’ve dismissed any concerns.
Parents might have wanted them around Epstein to show him/the world that he was trustworthy and they trusted him around their kids. Similar to drag queen story hour and parents using their kids to show how woke they are in

I agree. I would have gone along with it thinking mum knows best. I did believe my mum knew best at that age.

Actually, I was hoping they themselves weren't exposed to things or abused. As young girls they would have been around quite a few predatory characters by the sound of it. They would have been potentially quite vulnerable.

I have children of similar ages and I know there is no way I could convince them to meet anyone they felt was morally corrupt in the way that Epstein was. In my experience teens are very black and white about such things.

I would also love to know how much they have financially benefited themselves and continue to do so from their parents dubious associations.