Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

[TheHaplessWit]

So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

It’s not that obvious though. The sex trafficking at that time would not have been illegal in the uk. The girls were over 16 which was all anyone paid attention to here at the time. The girls would not have been ‘illegal’ here, so his UK friends would have thought prosecuting him was weird. No one was calling him a paedophile back then, in the UK.

Much has been made clearer since.

I mean, don’t misunderstand me, they were sleazebags and we now know probably worse, but that wouldn’t have been obvious then. I wasn’t paying much attention, but remember being surprised by the headlines, as in UK terms it didn't make sense.

Wow - so you think it's OK to sell girls in the UK as long as they are over 16? what kind of moral position is that?

And you think it's OK for Royal Family members to think that people who do such things are 'legends', 'special' and 'spectacular'.

My word, the mental gymnastics of some RF defenders are unreal.

I think she would put herself in any situation where she can sponge money and attention. Both her and Andrew are literal pigs in throughs

She’s a despicable human. She’s always been on the take. Epstein was rich and powerful, therefore Fergie was up his ass, and in it for what she could get.

I don’t think she’s as bad as Andrew, although I’m sure there is more to come so I should withhold judgement. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

The girls were over 16 which was all anyone paid attention to here at the time.

This was 2008/2009. You’re talking like it was hundreds of years ago, we definitely would have thought this sort of thing was despicable only 16/17 years ago.

The minimising 🙄

Both of them are not the brightest, that much is clear. I suspect Fergie has continued to be alongside Andrew as she just doesn’t know what else to do. No means of supporting herself in the manner to which she has become accustomed but neither wanting to give it up.

Andrew never thought he could lose everything.

Seriously i dont remember it being made a big deal of in England its not minimising to say it wasn't seen as a big deal I dont remember it being THAT widely reported nothing like today's reporting

No one cared it was Americas news Americans problem

Obviously we know better now

Oh ffs. The girls he was charged with abusing in 2008 included multiple 14 year olds.

I may be misremembering, maybe what I read was longer ago. I’m not saying it was ok, far from it. I’m just wondering whether it will at the time have seemed to his friends as though he was being targeted for political reasons and hadn’t done anything they thought was that awful. It isn’t the circles I move in, but it must have seemed a reasonable thing to do at the time.

So here’s Epstein, convicted of the sexual abuse of 14 year old girls, and Sarah F can’t wait to drag her own daughters over there in 2009 to see him.

Revolting woman.

i can’t take you seriously.

ok, I didn’t know that. The headlines and cases I remember were about Virginia Guiffre, who was 17 and it was years before. That was what I was thinking of.

In that case, it’s beyond imagining what she thought she was doing.

She’s pathetic, amoral and I have no time for her, but no. She isn’t as bad as Andrew, or any of the other men who abused and exploited young girls. Not even close.

‘Jeffrey Epstein, a wealthy, white, billionaire child rapist, ran an
international sex trafficking ring. Rather than prosecute Epstein, Alex Acosta,
a former United States Attorney, brokered a deal with Epstein’s defense
attorneys coined, “the sweetheart deal of the century.” When Acosta
abdicated his role as a state functionary and allowed Epstein’s defense
attorneys to dictate the terms of Epstein’s freedom, Acosta gave the power
of the State to private parties to protect a recidivist child rapist.
The failure to prosecute Epstein is all the more problematic’

https://jgrj.law.uiowa.edu/sites/jgrj.law.uiowa.edu/files/2023-05/1%20Cook.formatted_0.pdf

Sorry about the formatting ^^.

Anyway the ghastly Yorks knew all this in 2008.

She's awful, just disgusting.

What has shocked/surprised me is the out and out arse licking OTT way both she and many of the other (eg. Mandelson) wrote to him...so weird.

I'm not going to start comparing S & A. I think they are both dreadful in their own ways. Letting her daughters anywhere near Epstein? cosying up to the chap for money ? I have to admit I have not a shred of sympathy for her being "homeless" - I am sure her daughters will sort her out with a roof over her head between the two of them. S just needs to recognise the Andrew / Duchess gravy train has stopped. Let's face it , she had a good run. 😊

It’s unthinkable.

She is terrible. Some of the conditions she imposed on charities she worked with were harmful to them, and she'd take money from everyone, including charitable causes. Inveterate liar. Andrew Lownie has documented a lot of her misdeeds.

@BasiliskStare Andrew Lownie's book on the pair is a bestseller - what is overlooked is his previous book on the Lord Mountbatten, which devoted 20 pages to allegations that he sexually abused young boys in a Northern Ireland care home.

Compared to that, I suppose the then Prince Andrew getting Epstein to procure a Russian woman for a meeting in Buckingham Palace - I assume she was a prostitute - doesn't so bad.

Then there is that dodgy clip of Jimmy Savile on the Parkinson show, where he relates in front of a bemused Alan Alda how he got a young girl into the Palace in the boot of his car for the privilege of getting to meet Prince Philip. Told in his scattergun style, it really does seem now like Savile was saying to those in the know, look, I know how to get women for Prince Philip, don't go after me.

Prince Harry has been lambasted for his 'tell all' memoir - seems to me he didn't tell us anything like what he could have.

I think she is an awful, entitled arrogant woman who is also not very bright. I think she is recklessly extravagant and that has led to huge debt, then she will do anything , suck up to anyone for money. I think her business dealings are shady if not downright dishonest ; and that includes any work she has done for ‘charity’. I do not think she is used to having to take responsibility for her mistakes - and that is changing …. No sympathy whatsoever.

As I have said in another thread there are a lot of people surrounding amw that have enabled his vile behaviour , protection officers , Sarah Ferguson etc etc

I’ve always thought she’s absolutely vile. From the day she married into the RF, she’s been an embarrassment who has just got worse and worse.

She is scum of the lowest order. Don’t forget one of the reasons she needed money from Epstein is that she owed thousand to members of her staff who hadn’t been paid because everyone lives for free and is subsidised by member of their husbands incredibly wealthy family so doesn’t need payment for their work. She is a lazy, entitled, arselicking grifter, just like her ex husband.

They are all sleazy scumbags. AMW is clearly a pig.

But I am interested in why the US media focusses so much on foreign royals rather than the US citizens involved with Epstein? Why are they escaping scrutiny? Why aren't they pursued?
Who were the men who made secret deals?
Why aren't the press frothing about the disgusting stuff revealed about Gates and Trump?
What was the connection between Epstein-Putin-Trump?

Andrew and Fergie are both despicable, immoral, money-grabbing, sleazy and entitled beyond belief