Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

[TheHaplessWit]

So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

I think that there will still be worse stuff to come out and I hope that it doesn’t involve the use of their under age daughters to get money out of rich people like Epstein.

Well if she pocketed nearly £4M from her recent house sale she’s not going to be ‘homeless’ like the papers suggest. I’ll stop worrying about her then.😁

She epitomises the ghastly royal mentality of entitlement and 'owed' standard of living without having to earn any of it. She despises the public yet wanted to be funded by them. Surrounded by arse lickers and hangers on. A moral vacuum.

The sealed documents from AMW’s decade as UK Trade Envoy must be brought into the public domain now.

Yes I agree. It is shameful that they remain inaccessible.

We definitely need to be calling for the Trade Envoy files to be released.

I agree. I am only pointing out that for many of us, human trafficking was not understood as it is now. If sex work is work, then it’s not noteworthy to travel to where work is. Imbalance of power dynamics were not particularly well understood. It was widely accepted that women are attracted to rich powerful men, and less considered that women are particularly vulnerable in those situations.

Personally, I don’t believe prostitution is just ‘sex work’, and am now very alert to imbalances of power in relationships. It’s not something I understood as well fifteen years ago, I don’t think. We were only beginning to understand human trafficking, that women were enslaved in brothels, nail parlours, restaurants etc.

It beggars belief that he was this corrupt, and presumably accompanied by staff and security, and not reigned in. I would have thought that there was oversight. I mean diplomacy is part of the work, and must involve briefings and strategies and so on.

How did she? Sorry haven't read anything about this before

I respect you for this. I would say it was definitely something I was aware of for a very long time and that wouldn’t be at all unusual in my social circles. But if that wasn’t a mainstream view I’m really glad that it is becoming so.

Human dignity is human dignity. If we lose that and put some people on pedestals and accept that others are vessels for their use then we are all screwed.

One example is that she had a deal to sell pictures to Hello mag, so she had a clause that only Hello could publish photos of the charitable event. Obviously the charity agreed to this.

I'm a little fuzzy on my recall of other offences but I think it was along the lines of not giving promised funds to charities and using charitable money for household and personal expenses.

Remember SF never had the vast wealth, privilege and security that Andrew took for granted and he wanted/expected more - so maybe it all overwhelmed her after marriage and she felt entitle because of relationship with Andrew and also just wanted more and more however obtained..

I’m massively resistant to any perception of powerful people as being above, or superior to others. I dislike the tendency to look to celebrities for direction of any kind and am endlessly surprised by actors etc trying to influence public opinion.

Some people are better educated or have access to more information than others, but apart from that we shouldn’t look to them for exemplary behaviour. Indeed, power corrupts and all that.

Yes I agree, many young women were children or not born and so they have no idea how horrible misogynistic things were accepted or tolerated socially back then.

Age of consent varies by State in the US. When we lived in New Mexico in 1998, it was an openly said joke that President Clinton was always visiting us because the age of consent then was 14.

Every family has its skeletons in the closet.

Quite. Surely she can afford a little bungalow by the sea somewhere, and a small car to run herself around in. But I suspect she's holding out for one of her daughters to buy her a mansion somewhere and provide staff.

I can understand extreme poverty driving a pathological need for huge wealth.

However, what is behind someone who is brought up in an exceptionally privileged way becoming grasping and avaricious?

Epstein was never actually convicted of sex trafficking or sex with an underage person.

In 2019, he was in jail after being arrested on charges of sex trafficking including trafficking of minors when he killed himself. He died before his trial. So he was never convicted because you don’t usually put a dead person on trial. We all know he was guilty as charged.

The 2008 conviction in Florida was a plea deal where he admitted guilt to two counts of soliciting sex (prostitution) one for soliciting an adult woman and one for soliciting a girl of age 14. This conviction didn’t convict him of actually having sex with either of them. In addition, he was granted full immunity from federal prosecution as part of the deal so all the allegations of sex trafficking, sex with minors and such were sealed and buried by the US authorities.

It was common back then for men who were caught soliciting sex from underage girls to be let off just by saying ‘she said she was 18…I had no idea she was underage’

Epstein was also a huge liar and Maxwell was there to make it all seem like he wasn’t a bad guy.

Fear of slipping down the social scale. Everyone wants to be upwardly mobile, no one wants to be downwardly mobile.

2008

Yes this, marrying well .being in the right social circles having connections "being somebody" is what drives it isn't it, also just bloody greed !

Apologies about the tea 😂

Why aren't the press frothing about the disgusting stuff revealed about Gates and Trump?

The US press is frothing about Gates. As far as Trump so much has been redacted about him. It will come out please god

She’s such a creep, she’d do anything for money, nothing would surprise me about her.

I thought the Trump stuff would come out after his term ends but are we getting many details on Clinton?