Eugenie has cut contact with Andrew

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It’s being reported that Eugenie has cut all contact with her father, she refused to visit him at Xmas and isn’t speaking to him at all. There was a discussion on Good Morning Britain about whether this was to protect her own image or whether it’s about her own feelings around what Andrew has done and his refusal to apologise.

Beatrice is still in contact with him apparently, so will this cause an issue between them as sisters?

Is Eugenie just doing this to protect her own image or has the penny dropped that Andrew is a disgusting man and she now believes him to be guilty?

What do you think?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/royals/eugenie-ends-contact-disgraced-father-andrew-royals-windsor-beatrice-b1266997.html

I’m in my 60’s. He was called that or a long as I remember, I remember early 80’s, maybe before. What did the press know, I wonder?

She also mentioned that sometimes she would hear of him being in x country and would as the palace press office how he got there, or wo paid for him, and they would say they didn't know.

This is quite a shocking admission from what is basically a palace PR arm.

Was no-one interested enough to find out or instruct some other lackey to find out or had they simply been told to shut up?

I remember the Randy Andy years well. It was because he had loads of girlfriends. Now you can look back and think that many women is a bit ick but at the time he was not the only famous male known for having many women, James Hunt for example and they were admired in the tabloids for it. The nickname wasn't at all a precursor of what has come out in the way it was used. It was a very different time and I'm so glad things have changed at least a little bit.

How long has he been called Randy Andy?

There was a 1985 interview with Selina Scott where he batted his eyelashes and claimed the nickname dated from a schoolboy mistake so presumably he was lying even then it was already well established at that point.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1765234/prince-andrew-randy-andy-interview-spt

Probably they had. I can't imagine all of the people who witnessed them would have thought his carrying-ons were OK.

But then being told - instructions from QE2 herself - to mind their own business.

And if senior diplomatic staff in Singapore were baulking at being his pimp, it wasn't just the protection staff that were not able to whistle-blow effectively.

Time for an enquiry to establish who whistle- blew and when.

Edited to finesse my.meaning

As if they were a supernatural hive mind, a coven of cosies always nipping in and out of each others' back doors

TBF this is exactly what the Palace PR does and always has framed them as.

Cosy walks to church, tumbling tots falling over each other albeit at ethically questionable polo gigs, carriage rides a go-go.

The reality plays more like a 15th century whodunnit.

The Randy Andy nickname was pathetic even back then, for goodness sake we weren't talking about James Hunt racing driver, he was at that point a high up member of the Royal family

So many people, his family and the media have indulged him and let him get away with God knows what over decades. I just find it very pathetic. You cannot have this privilege and be like he was

This, there was talk of divorce so maybe the no contact is to save her marriage

Agree - the current ‘family’ is only the facade. Behind that is a millennium of a monarchy with varying powers but always accumulating wealth and maintaining revenue streams which keep institutions, individuals and systems afloat on this gravy train. There are too many stakeholders and people with their snouts in the trough to let any individual derail it - such as AMW - so they have all denied, lied, hidden, conspired and colluded to ensure they are not financially compromised.

Yes, I agree Cathy. That’s how the royal family has been presented to us by their PR teams and themselves. The RF as a big, happy, and close family dynamic is definitely what were encouraged to believe.

Where has there been talk of divorce? I haven’t seen that at all. Also her husbands father was in the media for having done something dodgy a few years ago. Wasn’t he having affairs?

Yes and now it's causing problems. I can see why they thought it was good PR but it never reflected reality, a family that didn't live together, made appointments to see some of the members, complained in the press that they don't see grand children etc

The problem is that the myth is now being used to suggest they all knew about everything Andrew did and I just don't see evidence of that. I suspect the late Queen might have been told a little but she seems to have refused to believe it and the deference around her was such that her officials didn't try very hard to get her to see the problems.

They need to fix that going forward.

Many many men with power far greater than Andrew have behaved like he did with women, talking about the non criminal encounters here. He is not an outlier in that specific aspect. It is only very recently, historically speaking, that the idea that women are not playthings for the powerful has gained any ground.

Yes but it was almost like we endorsed it in the media. It was all a bit of a joke, the headlines were almost egging him on
I know times were different back then

We are not talking about women though are we - we are talking about vulnerable children being sex trafficked and repeatedly raped.

The people around him - security, business associates would have seen these young teenage girls and known the difference.

This would have been documented and reported back to the ‘firm’ in the UK to manage the threat to all of their reputations and revenue streams in the monarchy ecosystem.

The BRF’s approach was to cover it up for as long as possible, then come out publicly to deny it robustly and emphatically with their statement, then to club together to buy the silence of the teenage victim of rape.

It’s only recently 15 years after public exposure that they are relenting on actively denying his actions - but they have not yet offered any acknowledgment to the victims of Epstein.

The people around AMW would have known his close friend was being investigated / arrested / imprisoned for soliciting a 14 year old.

I don’t know what you are attempting to do here - to minimise the accountability of the BRF of how they handled the child rapist in their family? To suggest that AMALT / different times ? Family wouldn’t have known?

Virginia Roberts spoke out 15 years ago - this family were uniquely placed to check her claims with all of their security logs - they know and knew and chose to variously to ignore it, deny it and finally silence her.

Agree with all of your post @Atlanti. The RF threw VG under the bus and it has tainted my view of the RF completely.

Who cares

Thanks for your valuable contribution to the thread. We quite clearly do. If you don’t then maybe find something that is of interest to you?

I was responding to a specific point about a specific nickname. In general I prefer not to try to cover many points in one post as it gets confusing for me.

I feel I've covered how I feel about AMW and the Royal family in general on multiple posts on multiple threads. If you want to read a specific post that is not about either of those things as minimising then that is up to you.

I agree and remember those times well. His return from the Falklands gave the press an opportunity to turn at least one of the brothers into a red-blooded hero (neither Edward nor Charles scrubbed up well or were blessed with much charisma as young men) and AMW saw the media adulation as a green-for-go signal.

Prince Edward was actually rather gorgeous in a posh, horsey way. He looked like Princess Anne, who was also very handsome as a young woman. Then her hair went up for good. I suspect she didn't want the DM etc commenting on her looks, she's so no-nonsense.

Eugenie’s father-in-law George Brooksbank died of cancer aged 72 in 2021 just days before the christening of Eugenie and Jack’s oldest son. He was an accountant who was by all accounts devoted to his wife Nicola, and has never been in the news for his behaviour. Nice of you to casually smear him though.

There Was something in the media about him though years ago. Some kind of disgrace.

Are you thinking of Pippa’s FIL?

I too think @Maidenjourneyis confusing Pippa’s fil with Eugenie’s fil @Serenster