Eugenie has cut contact with Andrew

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It’s being reported that Eugenie has cut all contact with her father, she refused to visit him at Xmas and isn’t speaking to him at all. There was a discussion on Good Morning Britain about whether this was to protect her own image or whether it’s about her own feelings around what Andrew has done and his refusal to apologise.

Beatrice is still in contact with him apparently, so will this cause an issue between them as sisters?

Is Eugenie just doing this to protect her own image or has the penny dropped that Andrew is a disgusting man and she now believes him to be guilty?

What do you think?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/royals/eugenie-ends-contact-disgraced-father-andrew-royals-windsor-beatrice-b1266997.html

Furthermore - I think VG was trafficked here when she was 17. Now, trafficking is illegal in the U.K. but at the time the trafficking laws were not in place, thus AMW avoided charges. However prostitution under 18 was illegal in the U.K. so had VG actually been prostitute she might have had more protection.

Personally I think certainly Eugenie, I am not sure about beatrice, will say they are distancing themselves from him. That's good PR.
But I imagine they will just carry on as normal, whatsapping, emailing and being very discreet about seeing him. To be honest I don't believe a thing that any of the York family say. Mother and father are out and out liars and I don't imagine the daughters are too much different

I’d imagine so. He’ll probably lie low for a while, and they’ll keep in phone and online contact. Then he’ll go and live abroad and they will go and visit him surreptitiously.

Well Prince Harry was quite happy to highlight the AMW sex scandal in Spare - so he must have been briefed / had evidence or knowledge to be so confident to publish that globally knowing there would be no legal repercussions - or even relational / social repercussions from AMW’s own DD - as Eugenie remained his friend despite what he said about her father.

Harry hardly included secret knowledge, he only said what the Matlis interview told all of us. And his main focus was his own security.

I agree with you @simpsonthecat
I think it will be all for optics.
Fergie said one thing and did another.
They’ve learned from the worst best.

The extent of Harry's mention of Andrew in Spare:

Taken from an interview in iNews (archive link below) - italics are quotes from Spare:

'When Meghan asked if the security would ever be removed, he writes that he “never” imagined they would “after what happened to my mother”, adding: “Also, not in the wake of my Uncle Andrew. Despite being embroiled in a shameful scandal, accused of sexually assaulting a young girl, no one had even suggested removing his security.”'
https://archive.is/l5xA4

I don't think this requires any particular briefing.

He didn’t need to give any details - the mere fact that a member of the BRF was confident legally to confirm the allegations in public means he knows enough.

What is the actual debate we are having here ? That none of the BRF knew anything?

I really don't get this contention, that permeates this thread, that All The RF Knew Everything.

As if they were a supernatural hive mind, a coven of cosies always nipping in and out of each others' back doors spreading the gossip, or had regular Monday morning team meetings where they got a detailed briefing on the current status of Uncle Andy's doings.

I originally posted that I thought Eugenie cutting Andrew off was a bit dollar late at this point and wouldn't achieve anything from a PR point of view. As a side bar I expressed my disbelief in the idea that the Royal family knew everything about Epstein and Andrew many years in advance.

They don't live in the same place, they don't seem to communicate with each other much and I'll always remember Harry complaining that he had to make an appointment with the Queen and got blocked by her aides (I sort of sympathise with him in that one). Maybe the Christmas walk and the fact they turn up at fixed events through the year gave an impression of a closer family than they really are? But even then I can't see them swapping Andrew anecdotes on the balcony.

There is absolutely no way that the court did not know what Andrew was up to. The Palace pays £££ a year to security personnel.

I watched an interview with Rebecca English (one of the Palace Confidential series) where she was talking to colleagues shortly after some of the recent revelations about Andrew (but before his arrest).

She was talking about years ago, when he was a working royal/trade envoy. She said that as a royal reporter, they used to receive the weekly list of royal engagements from the palace press office. She would see nothing on it for Andrew and would ask what he was doing, and BP would say they didn't know.

She also mentioned that sometimes she would hear of him being in x country and would as the palace press office how he got there, or wo paid for him, and they would say they didn't know.

She said he seemed to operate in a silo.

Disgraceful.

Sarah said this as well. No one communicates directly with each other. It’s all ‘office of’ . Very isolating and very odd for a family.

Why? It's not their fault.

Exactly!

Do people honestly think no one knew anything when the general public were getting very aware!
Deluded!
Questions have been asked again and again and we are supposed to think that the palace knew nothing. As if!

They are a very peculiar dysfunctional family

I do wonder though if we expect them to communicate because of all the public appearances they all attend. I don't communicate much with my wider family, not that I don't like them but because we all have lives and not a lot in common. Selling the royals as a family unit is all very well but patently untrue. Charles restricting who went on the balcony was a good idea from that aspect alone.

How long has he been called Randy Andy?

Each couple have their own press officer. The court and AMW’s staff and the Palace security teams will have known exactly what he’s up to.

Personally I find it very odd. I communicate with my family (equivalent to the Royal family but not the total family,,,) in all sorts of ways. FB, WhatsApp, email and whatever. Just a catch up here and there when I or they can be bothered or really want to. For instance I laid on a huge catch up with them at Xmas because it hasn't happened for a while.
They don't seem able to do a normal family thing

They are a very odd family.

I still can’t figure out which is which. I did a Wikipedia today and it’s opposite to what I thought. Beatrice is Eugenia and Eugenie is Beatrice. I really can’t get my head round that apparently Eugenia (as i know now) is setting up AI companies to do with data mining. With lots of accomplices. She doesn’t have any expertise in that. I mean i know it’s all to do with who she knows but it is very dodgy.

I think people forget that there is the family, and then there is the business, or the 'Family', if you like.

Some parts of the extended family seem to be fairly close - you see pictures of the Wales family with the Tindalls at non-formal events, for example.

Others probably see each other only fairly rarely - like the extended family members others might only see at weddings and funerals, but in this case are seen in public at official events as well.

She (eugenie) has an English literature degree. Doesn’t make any sense how she is a USA software company director. And is setting up her own consultancies in data mining and AI.

Exactly!

From what H has claimed, the main protagonists are all briefing against each other to keep their own pecadillos of the front page of The Sun.