PR disasters thread 4

[AtIusvue]

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Regarding your comment about how AMW got the TE role, have a read of this. It came from Private Eye.👁️

Corrupt at the core.

yes I have seen a few press reports from the 2000s of the Blair /Mandelson involvement. I also came across this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/number-10-press-briefing-morning-from-7-march-2011

To move on I think and have a new model:

• A distinction between working royals and non working royals re Titles. Only those who work for the public carry titles.**
• That those working royals must work by a code of conduct.
• Strict rules put in place about Crown properties and who is allowed to use them and for what

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, @Atlusvue, but I'm not sure what use of code of conduct would be if the principals had no wish to abide by it?

There's no accountability now and no apparent willingness in parliament to impose it, so what difference would the above make?

In that case, I think it’s obvious, that they would take the name Spencer. So that they have Lili Diana Spencer.

Why on earth would they be Spencer?
That name was given up by Diana when she married Charles. I think the Spencer family might have something to say about them claiming that name for themselves , and no doubt trying to claim Diana’s memory for themselves.

They would have to be Windsor/Mountbatten-Windsor (which would have the obvious disadvantage of sharing the name with you now who).
Or maybe Mountbatten-Markle.

Obviously MB would be their surname but I wouldn’t put it past them to take Spencer, if their titles are take ln off them.

No one can stop them taking on that surname. They might think it’s a money maker.

I think it would be awkward to remove titles from those who currently have them, barring the extreme wrongdoing of , eg some of the elderly cousins.

Going forward it would. W sensible to restrict it to the children of the monarch and the next heir but not children of younger children. The difficulty might be if say George has no children and Charlotte predeceases him, her child would not have any title before becoming monarch.

As I understand it, legally the family name is Mountbatten-Windsor (William and Catherine have used this when suing a newspaper in France).

H&M may retain the Sussex title, but not HRH (that being kept for working royals). If the title goes (not sure there would really be a reason for that), they could decide to use Sussex formally as a surname.

I don't think titles should be removed from any of the elderly rlatives who have been working royals.

This is the perfect opportunity for a complete sea change, in my opinion Charles should relinquish the crown to William, the proposals by @AtIusvue should be implemented and the House of Windsor name confined to history with a new name adopted for King William’s reign.

Also if William implements a new model their can be no screams of racism either, though no doubt they will try.

Whilst they are sorting out the line of succession maybe they could also do something about the counsellors of state. Again should only really be working royals and those that primary residence is in the UK.

I think this is the way it will go.

KC3 will choose to be the fall guy for the institution’s (ie QE2’s) complicit / enabling / facilitating / blind eye approach to AMW’s abhorrent behaviour on tax payers money - he will ‘fall on his sword’ to save the monarchy and pass it to PW. I expect as both the King and Queen are almost 80 and neither in the best of health they will secretly be delighted.

Then there is enough clear blue water between AMW and PW…..unless any investigations and transparency shows the whole lot of them were covering up for AMW and they all had equally shady dealings going on.

I also like the ideas @AtIusvue put forward.

As for the code of conduct: I think there are enough similarities between the Royal Family and the Clergy of the CofE (both rely on the connection with God, either by vocation or birth) to adapt the Clergy Discipline Measure – which includes a range of penalties, including limited prohibition or prohibition for life.

It shouldn’t be difficult for Parliament to pass such a law, and the behaviour of AMW might just be enough to at least get Parliament (as well as Charles and William) thinking about it. When members of the Royal Family behave badly, they are not just bringing the RF into disrepute, but the whole country as well. If they don’t want to uphold the standards the country thinks they should, they can simply walk away from the duty (and the titles as well).

I agree the RF needs to realise (or if they already realise, they need to act) that their continuance relies on good public perception and there must be accountability.

I'm a bit like @AtIusvue - not really a monarchist or a republican. I can see the value of the RF and I love the history. But, by god, they need to change if they want to stay.

I'm not sure about Charles handing over to William early, though. First, I'm not sure W would take it and would cite his young family. Second, as generally nice as Charles seems, he waited so long and seems to hold the belief that he is king by divine right. Hard to give that up. I think he thinks he can turn the tide, bring the public along with him, restore faith in the monarchy.

How about some chocolate with dried flowers on ? I think this is the first time I've actually seen the chocolate itself. As a choc lover I don't think I would like the taste of the flowers in my mouth. I've eaten lavender chocolate but that's not got dried lavender in it. Wasn't this the one Harry chose- the white one? I'm very much an opposing texture person when eating but I can't imagine what this is like.

I'm seeing Andrew Lownie often quoted on here but it seems Harry is at odds with Lownie's accounts if you recall this incident.

Yes, as I mentioned upthread, he apparently sent 'legal letters' to Lownie about it.

What was the outcome?

I like to think there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes and that Letters Patent will be issued in due course removing titles from all non working Royals.
The Kent and Gloucester Dukedoms should end when the current holders die .

Why when non royal ones don't?

As far as I know, that was it. He didn't proceed with any legal action.

Are Beatrice and Eugenie working royals?

No, they never have been.

Despite AMW’s best efforts !