PR disasters thread 4

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Meghan saying she didn’t know who Andrew was and mistook him for a servant, is as credible as her saying she didn’t google Harry before their first date.

It’s the kind of thing an unsophisticated/not well travelled/not used to moving in international circles person would say. Because her scope of reference was USA-only and her eye has only ever been on that audience, she thought everyone else was also only concerned with that audience. Which puts her entire time in the RF into the context we now know she had: strip it of whatever was of use to her (money and fame) and take it back to her home.

I do think it’s ridiculous expecting either Harry or Meghan to say anything about Andrew. What is there to say? He’s saying everything for everyone all by himself.

canklesmctacotits · Today 22:34
I do think it’s ridiculous expecting either Harry or Meghan to say anything about Andrew. What is there to say? He’s saying everything for everyone all by himself.

Although Harry and Meghan have made sure that their PR "sources" have briefed People Magazine that they are the true victims in the AMW saga🙄

I've just been watching someone talking on tv about how MM certainly can add to all the Epstein matters. Interesting!

Of course she knew who PA was - who did she think her mate Eugenie was if not PA’s daughter whom she had been arse licking socially? It’s just another one of her faux ‘charismatic’ affections where she pretends to be a the ditsy Cali girl rather than the steely operator that she really is.

Not to mention that eugenie is the spitting image of her father!

They’re such low-quality lies 😂. She would have been better off not bothering! Kinda like her “jam”…

I think Beatrice is so like Andrew when he was younger. Happened to see images on TV last night.

Agree - grifters have done their research.

Who said that?

Some rewriting of history going on

https://archive.is/dTf5H

Speaking out after Andrew's arrest, a source with inside knowledge told us: "Harry made his views about Andrew abundantly clear in his book three years ago, at a time when other parts of the institution remained silent. For that candour he was vilified and ostracised by the institution, sections of the press and significant parts of British society for 'airing the family's dirty laundry' and challenging the status quo. I'm not surprised he isn't leaping up to start offering his two cents on this."

Bloody hell. All Harry did was centre himself in a brief passage moaning on about security. As ever. Not a thought, not a word, about Andrew’s alleged victim(s). Just secoority.

Full of shit. As Ever.

So how does this all play out for M&H? Any thoughts?

I think, really this is the first time since the end of WW1 when there was seismic social change, socialism was spreading through Europe and many still having the memory of QV shutting herself away….when there was a big change in how theRoyals worked. They had to be seen …and had to be seen as serving the public.

Now, it’s obvious there has to be changes about how everything works. AMW was allowed to use Crown property as he wished, abused his position etc.

They are now talking about removing him from the line of succession. It’s a shit show.

To move on I think and have a new model:

• A distinction between working royals and non working royals re Titles. Only those who work for the public carry titles.
• That those working royals must work by a code of conduct.
• Strict rules put in place about Crown properties and who is allowed to use them and for what.

This would mean Beatrice and Eugenie lose their titles, but also Harry and Meg (and the kids). They wouldn’t be removed from the line of succession though.

In that case, I think it’s obvious, that they would take the name Spencer. So that they have Lili Diana Spencer.

I can’t see the public putting up with wealthy royals living in the USA much longer. I think they’ll want to see them funding themselves properly. Transparently. Not via opaque companies and charities and trusts and tax breaks.

Also never let a good crisis go to waste

They can introduce a new working model….without looking like they are punishing M&H. That this new model, is the only way a modern constitutional monarchy can work….and really they can’t complain. The public are starting to get really pissed off now.

Im not a republican, but neither an ardent monarchist. I see value in having a RF and having a monarch as Head of State…..but there really needs to be big changes.

I wonder if Meg n Harry realise this yet? If they are prepping for this.

I've thought for a while that the clear distinction between working and non-working royals has to be the way to go.
Prince/Princess title for those in direct line of succession
HRH for those who are working royals; to decide as adults if they are committing to this (Charlotte and Louis; option for Louise/James?)

Code of conduct, clarity re properties etc - definitely helpful for everyone

I have been thinking along similar lines.

Titles for those close to the throne/working royals and some sort of code of conduct for those working Royals.

I am assuming there is no code in place already??

I suspect not - when the Queen acceded it wouldn't have been considered necessary, and things then will have continued. KC3 came to the throne in the middle of the crisis.

Much like safeguarding rules - codes of conduct protect those who abide by them as well as being helpful in dealing with those who don't.

There can’t be? Otherwise how did we end up with Andrew’s role as Trade Envoy being all about abuse, grift and golf, Harry’s hitting people, Charles’s bags of cash and dodgy friends, and much more beside involving HRHs.

There needs to a proper independent standards committee for the royal family where concerns about breaches of the Nolan Principles can be adequately addressed. How that committee would stay independent, however, I really don’t know. Maybe the members would have to sign up for never seeking or accepting an honour.

In that case, I think it’s obvious, that they would take the name Spencer. So that they have Lili Diana Spencer.

Disagree. It should be Markle, I'm not a fan of taking the husbands name at all.

I have thought the same, only those working royals get the title and the money - no one is owed an income from their parents.

Also interesting on the thread about AMW and where it went wrong, financially - lots of agreement that they wanted a billionaire lifestyle on a millionaire budget. This has been discussed a lot on here about H&M. So going forward no one should be expecting a lifestyle above their means.

(I am not, for those that look for a fight, comparing H&M actions or behaviours with the reprehensible uncle and aunt)

Much like safeguarding rules - codes of conduct protect those who abide by them as well as being helpful in dealing with those who don't.

This was my thinking too.

just how AMW got that TE role when so many at the time questioned it is beyond me.

it’s a shame Anne’s model of not bestowing prince/princess on grand children (not of the heir line) of a monarch wasn’t officially adopted.

Many seem to have a problem understanding the difference between the crown and the wider RF. not helped by half the late queen’s grandchildren being prince/princess and the other half not. It’s madness to me that Archie and lily have prince/princess titles.

it’s a shame Anne’s model of not bestowing prince/princess on grand children (not of the heir line) of a monarch wasn’t officially adopted.

Anne's children wouldn't have had it by right as she was female (Prince/Princess descends through the male line only at present). They were offered a title for Mark Phillips and declined.

Edward's children are Prince/Princess by right and have chosen not to use it.

Archie and Lilibet have the titles as grandchildren of the monarch in the male line since KC3 acceded; Archie was eligible to have his father's minor title (Earl of Dumbarton) when he was born, but they preferred not to take it (and make allegations on TV).

Telegraph's royal editor on the need to modernise

https://archive.ph/5D0YN

I’ve said for a while that should be monarch, dc possibly, heir and working royals only. Retired WR can keep titles. No titles for those not in direct line. No Prince/ss eugenie, Beatrice, Louise, James, Archie or lilibet. Clean sweep.

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