PR disasters thread 4

[AtIusvue]

One stop shop for all As ever, Archewell, Meg n Harry disasters

Doesn't happen to other celebrities?

Is this your first day on our planet?

It’s very offensive and insensitive especially as MM has spoken openly about her suicidal ideation. There is never any justification to show violence / death especially of women.

That’s quite a spin there @Atlanti

I didn’t find that picture funny at all but not because of what you’ve referred to as MM suicidal ideation that I never believed for a moment

Are you new to beauty and style discussions in general?

Meghan is very slim but she has broad shoulders and waist IN PROPORTION to her body shape. It's a body shape - we talk about inverted triangles, apples, pears etc. I'm certainly not criticising her body, I'm critiquing her errors in dressing it. I wish she'd get a good stylist to dress her for the red carpet as she would look absolutely fabulous.

How can you dismiss someone’s report of ideation - that’s quite dangerous IRL. It can be anything from fleeting intrusive thoughts, to considering a method, to planning, to acquiring materials, to taking an action. I think it’s very important never to dismiss any expression of ideation from anyone. Her mother and husband also spoke of her despair at this time. I don’t have any respect for MM behaviours but I would never negate her expression of her mental health in such a serious and potentially catastrophic way. No one knows what she thought inside and if / how her method was to jump or not.

I mean, you kind of ARE critiquing her body…? As are others on this thread.
If you enjoy doing that then go ahead I guess, freedom of speech and all.
The only point I’m trying to make is that I wish we could stick to critiquing behaviour, and not body.
Pointing out if a dress has been altered or hemmed is just a bit unnecessary.

The issue some people have, is like you say- ideation can mean many different things.
Meghan has never explained what she felt, has never discussed this, even when gently asked about it in an interview for her experience. This was an interview that was talking about teen suicide.

Now, it may be traumatising for her to talk about;however, she was the one that released this information in the first place.With no further explanation, it leaves people in a state of confusion.

No one knows what it actually meant for Meghan. If these were long term thoughts, a fleeting moment etc. No one knows if she actually got help. We know she went to HR but there’s been nothing about if she actually saw any mental health professionals. The interview where she was asked about this moment, she says she hadn’t ‘unpacked’ her thoughts yet. This says to me she hasn’t been in therapy about this. But who knows!, this is what I mean. It’s all guesswork.

A huge moment in telling people she was suicidal….but no further information. Not even in the pursuit of helping others to seek help.

Thus, with little to no information, some people will chose not to believe her, others are happy to trust her word.

You can’t attack someone for not believing someone’s story, when they have no information about the story to go on.

I wouldn’t believe what her mother and Harry said about it either. Ive always considered her mum too good to be true, and Harry has made it very clear just who he is also.

Meghan showed us who she was long before Megxit. The day the so-called Fab Four did their interview together was an education, as was her ham acting every time she placed her hand across his back to show the world her affection for him — but only succeeded in making it look as if she was burping him or preventing him from falling into the nearest dog bowl. I was never taken in by her, though I did want them to have a happy marriage.

If you find it unnecessary , then the PR disasters thread maybe isn’t your thing.

This was a PR gig for Meg, out on the red carpet , posing for paps, supporting her celeb pals. Therefore that PR moment will be discussed. She is using fashion to drive her PR and herself in the papers. So obviously we will talk about her fashion choices.

This was a bad choice for Meg, as discussed above.

@AtIusvue - thank you for your post. I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t have your patience.

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Why should she go into detail on her me tal health (medical information since mental health comes under that)

She shared what she felt comfortable sharing. Just like you dont expect Catherine to go into detail about her cancer.

And if she did share you would just tear it apart anyway

No that information is private.

No one forced Meghan to reveal this info. For some reason she did.

Catherine had no choice but to tell people, because she wouldn’t be able to perform her duties. She didn’t tell us what cancer she has though. I get it. But she has talked about her experience of cancer. Visited cancer patients and connected with them over their health journeys, praised the health professionals who treated her etc.

Meg released a bombshell of a statement, with no further information. That just leaves questions. In that case, you can question why she would release such a private and raw moment.

Meg, unlike Catherine, hasn’t praised the professionals she worked with, met with other mothers who could have experienced the same, urged people to seek help from the GPs etc.

Theres been nothing. She doesn’t have to reveal private medical info but not following up in other ways….leaves people with too many questions, one of them being why she felt the need to share this.

Let’s not bother going down this same old tired argument that has been brought up on this thread ( for pure reasons I’m sure) , some people believe whatever Meghan says despite evidence to the contrary and no amount of explanation will change that , others ( myself included) are not willing to believe things from someone who has told many proven lies.

She doesnt owe you that information

Ive been suicidal in my past I donr share details like you expect with anyone. Its noone business. You dont know if she thanked anyone you just assume it because she hasnt made a statement about it.

It still hard to this day to even talk about my own experience.

And Catherine didnt have to share details she could of stuck with I have health issues hence I cant work as much. Still leven saying she had cancer ahe didnt go into details like the ones you expect Meghan to share.

Suicide is something that for most people is very hard to talk about.

Good grief , do you not remember the “ where’s Kate?” Threads ?
Despite an official announcement saying she would be out of action for a few months , the speculation was intense and nonstop .

I can’t understand the suicidal ideation, the media, from memory, was very little compared to the worldwide media / SM dislike for her and her lies/fabrications/narcissism/bullying … the list goes on … they even had to use a photograph of the press waiting for Katie Price as I suspect they didn’t have their own evidence, and that ridiculous skit in the back of the car regarding someone on a moped 😵‍💫🤣 to ‘show’ how ‘badly’ the press treated her …. Yet today, everyone plasters her nonsense across all sorts of media outlets criticising her lies / fairytale nonsense / failures … surely she’d be keeping away from the press and keeping themselves private … weird

I didn’t look at the picture @chunkyBoo, so have no idea whether it’s funny or in bad taste but I would remind you that people’s sense of humour is often very different and certain people have none at all!
so it’s best to post conservatively to prevent posters arriving to complain and disrupt the thread. 👍

The comments have surely been about the dress, though? - that it wasn’t right for Meghan’s body shape, and had been badly altered.

That isn’t criticism of Meghan, or at least it’s not criticism of her looks or her body. It is, however, criticism of her choice of dress and her not making sure that any alterations looked good enough for the red carpet, but I don’t think those are unreasonable comments for PPs to make.

Exactly yet we are with the OP demanding more information ...dont you see the irony of that. Id you found it wrong for people to demand more information then why should you then be demanding more information from another woman.

You're changing the goalposts a bit.

Meghan chose to say she had felt suicidal, then provided nothing more. She didn't have to disclose that.

PoW didn't give any info, just was stepping back from appointments, and got hounded to give a reason. She then disclosed that it was cancer, to stop the online drama (including that she was a victim of domestic abuse etc).

I don't think anyone on this thread is demanding more information.

Just that saying 'i was suicidal' wasn't necessary for Meghan, no one was speculating about her health. It did come across as a way to shut down questions about her own behaviour and 'score points', along with the claims about Archie not getting a title because he is mixed race.

Another thing about M saying she was suicidal was her claim that she didn’t know how to get help, bizarrely saying she went to the ‘institution’ to get help. Her dh had received help for his mental health and had been involved in mental health initiatives. She also was receiving the best prenatal care money could buy as well. It made what she was saying seem a bit fishy.

And the world didn’t ask her to reveal that she was suicidal. But she did, for reasons unknown

True. She went to HR, but had a private health care team that could have brought in mental health specialists. She was suicidal but her husband, who then took her to a public engagement, had his own therapist on speed dial? And her pregnancy was known, and provided a reason for pulling out at short notice?

It doesn't add up.

Unlike the info we have about PoW and cancer - which she was forced to put out, unlike the Oprah interview.