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Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

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TheHaplessWit · 10/01/2026 01:37

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Epstein Had Emails from Staff of Ex-Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson on His Desk in Newly Shared Photos

New photos from Jeffrey Epstein's New York home appear to show an email exchange between former staffers for ex-Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

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AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 07/02/2026 13:46

@ThePoshUns, are you accusing me of stalking seresnter?

Seresnter is a regular poster in the royal threads as are many of us here. This has been pointed out by others on this thread. Usually seresnter's posts are informative even if my perception is that they deflect criticism of the royal family. The post I answered to was, IMO veering into being dismissive of many valid concerns.

If you feel MN guidelines have been broken please report to MNHQ. If you feel a crime has been committed please contact the police. Apologies if I have misunderstood you.

But enough derailing

Mylovelygreendress · 07/02/2026 14:00

Serenster · 07/02/2026 12:45

I was wondering when serenster would descend on this thread to deflect and contain

Sorry? Am I not allowed to share my thoughts in a discussion on a public discussion board? How odd.

Carry on @Serenster. It’s refreshing to read clear and calm posts .

simpsonthecat · 07/02/2026 14:01

I found it pathetic that the person asked Edward 'how are you coping?'
What sycophantic crap. Why would Edward not be able to cope, he's not been implicated and he is only affected by dint of being a royal.

I think this was what someone said... or there might be another good response. Either way, Edward's didn't cut it.

‘it doesn’t matter how I’m coping. I’m unimportant in this. What matters in this are the victims and my thoughts are with them all. I’m very proud of my wife Sophie’s work in this area.'

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 07/02/2026 14:13

Serenster · 07/02/2026 11:18

I am saying that the Windsor PR strategy - which to an onlooker seems to be to be “Keep Calm and Carry On” for those who are not Andrew and so not linked to Epstein seems to be a better tactic than making a statement. Because it’s quite clear that no statement would actually be sufficient - that’s obvious from these threads where people are advocating for all sorts - everyone wants something different and a statement could not possibly meet everyone’s wishes.

The Norwegian Royal family have made a few statements now and they have landed badly it seems - it’s a cautionary tale, I imagine for advisors.

(and I know that you and other posters regard all the Windsors as complicit in what Epstein was up to, but there’s absolutely no evidence of that in the 3 million emails. So it’s based on what - presumed omniscience of what a fully gown adult with his own house and own independent team was doing and writing in his private emails? We don’t apply that standard to anybody else. So aside from Andrew and Sarah’s conduct, I see no evidence of “Windsor crimes” Even in respect of Andrew and Sarah, “potentially criminal activities” is more accurate. But accuracy is not what you are going for, I realise!).

No evidence of what precisely Serenster?

I think you are skating on very, very, thin ice there.

There is plenty of evidence in the Epstein files that AMW was lying about knowing VG and that the photo was real.

But what about all of the other evidence we already have about AMW’s nefarious sexual and financial activities, some of which was carried out while he was publically funded as Trade Envoy?

According to Lownie, BP put pressure on Australian network ABC not to run its interview with Virginia Giuffre years ago, There was a leak showing the journalist involved complaining about it.

AMW declared on camera to Newsnight that he couldn’t remember meeting Giuffre and that the photo had been doctored and it’s just emerged in the Epstein files that the infamous photo of them together is genuine.

Ditto his declaration that he only met with Epstein after his conviction for paedophiia, to tell him face to face that he was ending their association. All now proven as blatant lies.

Lownie has evidence that politicians and intelligence sources brought evidence to the late QE2 about AMW’s nefarious sexual and financial activities in many occasions and were sent away with a flea in their ear.

It has been reported that AMW leveraged his position as a publicly funded Trade Envoy to make money on the side for himself in numerous deals with extremely dodgy and corrupt businessmen from Azerbaijan, Kahakstan, the Middle East, described in detail in the book. ´As are the hidden off shore accounts.

Other details include:
A business relationship and a holiday paid for by Tarek Kaituni a Libyan gun smuggler
AMW’s dealings with Ilham Aliyev Azerbaijan’s authoritarian and corrupt President
The dealings with David Rowland.
The dodginess over Pitch@Palace Global.

Eg forty prostitutes in four days on an official trip to Thailand

These activities were logged and recorded, by FO staff and personal protection staff.

In January 2005 the National Audit Office investigated ALW’s extravagant travel over the previous 12 months. Having looked at the details the DM described AMW as “a small bomb threatening to detonate in the bosom of the RF”.

Chris Bryant MP complained about financial tax havens and Nigel Mills MP, a member of the Public Accounts Committee demanded an enquiry in to AMW’s activities in 2019.

Do you think BP was unaware of that?

On the domestic front, Lownie reports on how Andrew insulted and harangued staff, bugged their communal areas with listening devices, was sexual inappropriate to the point that a nanny left their employ, he injured a policeman’s arm driving through Windsor at ridiculous speeds, was the subject of a joint complaint by Windsor Park staff for his erratic driving, AMW destroyed a gate at Windsor Great Park by driving through it costing thousands of pounds worth of damage, all of which was soothed over by the RF.

Are you telling me that the late Queen and Charles were unaware of in-house staff matters relating to AMW? Btw the staff at Sandringham are now apparently opting out of working for him.

There was the Sunninghill debacle in 2007. The late Queen gifted the property to her son and it was sold to Timur Kulibayev, son in law of the President of Kazakhstan, who, rather surprisingly, paid £3 million more than the £12 million asking price then allowed to rot for eight years. The Palace issued a statement claiming no impropriety but there is a passage or two in Lownie’s book suggesting otherwise laying out evidence obtained through an FOI request. It is said the the late Queen eventually put out the fire.

And of course there is the debacle of his peppercorn rent at the £30 million Royal Lodge despite him not holding up his end of the bargain to renovate.

The shenanigans over the sale of AMW’s and SF’s ski chalet in Verbier which ended in unpaid debts and and legal issues I believe? It is reported that the late Queen once again baled Andrew out and Charles supplied a bridging loan.

Are you telling me the RF have no evidence of the many occasions on which they had to bale out Andrew and Sarah?

Lownie reports that many of those in the know are either too loyal or deferential to speak, have signed NDAs, or been paid off or awarded a journalistic favour by BO.

The British Government has so far failed to release any significant information about AMW’s time as tax-funded Trade Envoy, in spite of many FOI requests.

A significant amount of money, between £10 and 12 million was paid to Virginia Giuffre, so that ALW wouldn’t have to face going to trial for his abuse of her. We all know that the RF dread a trial more than anything else; remember the Queen jumping in to stop the Paul Burrell trial?

No one has addressed criticisms directed at SF and AMW in relation to monies allegedly received by Selmand Turk and Johnny Hon.
There is a lot of evidence emerging from a High Court trial relating to Turk,

Then there are the national security
concerns relating to a cable that Amanda Thirsk allegedly showed David Rowland when it was meant for government eyes only.
This is important because AMW was allegedly doing what Mandelsohn has been accused of.

AMW until very recently was also inviting unsavoury characters to various palaces or royal properties, and don’t forget the Chinese spy. He invited a Libyan gun smuggler to dine at St James’s palace, And many young women are invited to come and give Andrew massages late at night who he didn’t want to list on the security log, At one point it is reported that Ghislaine Maxwell had a free pass to roam around various palaces.

Read Lownie’s book and listen to his podcasts if you don’t believe me.

We all know that the real the royal family aren’t making any further statements is because they are complicit in a huge cover up. And the cover up is as much as a problem as the initial alleged crimes.

Daygloboo · 07/02/2026 14:19

TheHaplessWit · 10/01/2026 01:37

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Regarding JE and.what is being said now.....it all seems so obvious......have a man with houses where lots of tech equipment exists.....bring prominent figures to those houses....bring in underage girls.....get dirt on them all...use it as leverage for whichever country you are workong for....it's got to be surely ...what on earth else could it possibly be with that kind ofcset up......it really is walk like a duck talk like a duck, surely...but I dont know quite where Mandelson fits in to all of this...

bluegreygreen · 07/02/2026 14:19

simpsonthecat · 07/02/2026 14:01

I found it pathetic that the person asked Edward 'how are you coping?'
What sycophantic crap. Why would Edward not be able to cope, he's not been implicated and he is only affected by dint of being a royal.

I think this was what someone said... or there might be another good response. Either way, Edward's didn't cut it.

‘it doesn’t matter how I’m coping. I’m unimportant in this. What matters in this are the victims and my thoughts are with them all. I’m very proud of my wife Sophie’s work in this area.'

We agree on this point @simpsonthecat.

I think it was an inappropriate question, and he should have been better prepared.

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 07/02/2026 14:20

To repeat my last paragraph for clarity’s sake:

Serenster

We all know that the real reason the royal family aren’t making any further statements is because they are complicit in a huge cover up. And the cover up is as much as a problem as the initial alleged crimes.

bluegreygreen · 07/02/2026 14:22

@Daygloboo I suspect for JE it didn't matter what type of 'kompromat', as long as he could use it. For some it will have been girls, for others something else (shady financial deals? loans?)

simpsonthecat · 07/02/2026 14:24

@Thewolffromthedoor89
I salute you
That is a great summary of everything.

TheToothFairy999 · 07/02/2026 14:34

Serenster · 07/02/2026 11:18

I am saying that the Windsor PR strategy - which to an onlooker seems to be to be “Keep Calm and Carry On” for those who are not Andrew and so not linked to Epstein seems to be a better tactic than making a statement. Because it’s quite clear that no statement would actually be sufficient - that’s obvious from these threads where people are advocating for all sorts - everyone wants something different and a statement could not possibly meet everyone’s wishes.

The Norwegian Royal family have made a few statements now and they have landed badly it seems - it’s a cautionary tale, I imagine for advisors.

(and I know that you and other posters regard all the Windsors as complicit in what Epstein was up to, but there’s absolutely no evidence of that in the 3 million emails. So it’s based on what - presumed omniscience of what a fully gown adult with his own house and own independent team was doing and writing in his private emails? We don’t apply that standard to anybody else. So aside from Andrew and Sarah’s conduct, I see no evidence of “Windsor crimes” Even in respect of Andrew and Sarah, “potentially criminal activities” is more accurate. But accuracy is not what you are going for, I realise!).

Well said!

simpsonthecat · 07/02/2026 14:36

I think the Windsor Crime is a cover up.
It stinks.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/02/2026 14:39

I think it's unfair to say that none of the family care though. Camilla and Sophie in particular have been supporting charities which work with victims for many years and seem genuinely passionate about their work

I honestly wouldn't want to assume anything about the genuineness of their supposed interest, @MrsLeonFarrell

Bearing in mind the many years the RF's enablement of abusers has been going on such causes offer some damn good PR along the lines of "Ooooo no, not US!!" and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was hit upon as a handy shield against possible future revelations

MrsLeonFarrell · 07/02/2026 14:51

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/02/2026 14:39

I think it's unfair to say that none of the family care though. Camilla and Sophie in particular have been supporting charities which work with victims for many years and seem genuinely passionate about their work

I honestly wouldn't want to assume anything about the genuineness of their supposed interest, @MrsLeonFarrell

Bearing in mind the many years the RF's enablement of abusers has been going on such causes offer some damn good PR along the lines of "Ooooo no, not US!!" and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was hit upon as a handy shield against possible future revelations

I don't see any evidence for what you are alleging. If some emerges I will change my mind. In the meantime I find the work Camilla and Sophie do admirable and the press's insistence on ignoring it frustrating.

I don't agree with the narrative that because one member of a family did something wrong everyone must be equally guilty.

Daygloboo · 07/02/2026 15:02

TheHaplessWit · 10/01/2026 01:37

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Regarding what people are saying about ineffectual RF in relation to AMW on here. I mean, the thing is, what DO you do about a loose cannon like that. Short of not letting him out at all, and confiscating his computer and phone, what can you do . I'm starting to understand what the Tower of London was for years sgo. Imo AMW has always shown remarkable disrespect for Philip and the Queen, whilst weirdly always ' invoking' them to shore up his own status. I'm actually starting to wonder if he's in some way not quite all there. He doesnt seem to ' get it' at all. Must be a nightmare for his daughters to have two such seemingly idiotic parents .

Maidenjourney · 07/02/2026 15:13

I think you can do a lot of things. Remove his staff. Boot him out of his house. Stop inviting him and his hanger on ex to Royal events. Remove his security and certainly not allow him to be a trade envoy.

Maidenjourney · 07/02/2026 15:14

Also, refuse to see him , not invite him for Xmas or to appear on the balcony.

Daygloboo · 07/02/2026 15:19

Maidenjourney · 07/02/2026 15:13

I think you can do a lot of things. Remove his staff. Boot him out of his house. Stop inviting him and his hanger on ex to Royal events. Remove his security and certainly not allow him to be a trade envoy.

I guess it's almost irrelevant now anyway, because he is now of no use to the kind of sleazy people who would formerly have been interested in cultivating him. He has no clout or connections

TheAutumnCrow · 07/02/2026 15:28

At least we have the outcome of the Public Accounts Select Committee’s inquiry into the Crown Estates to look forward to in March/April.

‘Background
The Public Accounts Committee announced on 2 December 2025 that it will be launching an inquiry into The Crown Estate. The inquiry will be based on recent correspondence from The Crown Estate relating to leases to The Royal Household/Royal Lodge, and on our work updating our 2005 report, The Crown Estate – Property Leases with the Royal Family.
The Crown Estate is an independent commercial business, established by Parliament, responsible for managing a £15 billion portfolio of land and property on behalf of the Crown. It returns its net profit to HM Treasury and sits between the public and private sectors.
Scope
To support the inquiry, this factual review will:

  • set out The Crown Estate’s approach to letting and managing high-value residential properties
  • update on leasing arrangements for properties occupied by members of the Royal Family.’

www.nao.org.uk/work-in-progress/update-on-crown-estates-arrangements-for-royal-residential-leases/

The Crown Estate - Property Leases with the Royal Family - NAO report

https://www.nao.org.uk/reports/the-crown-estate-property-leases-with-the-royal-family/

Daygloboo · 07/02/2026 15:37

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/02/2026 10:18

What the fuchsia wrong with these people? She sounds proud of having her name in he files. But then someone who is prepared to Mick an innocent women's death isn't exactly overflowing on the moral front.

Well shes got form with saying obnoxious things

bluegreygreen · 07/02/2026 15:45

@TheAutumnCrow I found this submission from the Crown Estates to the Public Accounts Committee via the CE website a couple of months ago.

https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/50543/documents/275710/default/

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 07/02/2026 15:46

Daygloboo · 07/02/2026 14:19

Regarding JE and.what is being said now.....it all seems so obvious......have a man with houses where lots of tech equipment exists.....bring prominent figures to those houses....bring in underage girls.....get dirt on them all...use it as leverage for whichever country you are workong for....it's got to be surely ...what on earth else could it possibly be with that kind ofcset up......it really is walk like a duck talk like a duck, surely...but I dont know quite where Mandelson fits in to all of this...

Rory Stewart, in his podcast with Alastair Campbell, The Rest is Politics, offers a very good description and explanation of Epstein’s methods and how he traded and leveraged money, contacts and favours for information with global bankers, business people, VIPs, celebrities, tech bods, , prominent academics, minor royalty to form a global network of reciprocal influence and favours.

It’s in the episode titled something like Mandelsohn’s disgrace.

Rory also asks the important question of how we protect our democracies from this sort of activity which skews governmental banking policies, legislation and money markets, to take a few of many examples ? Sadly, I think the horse may already have bolted on that score!

Ukisgaslit · 07/02/2026 15:52

@MrsLeonFarrell

It wasn’t one member of that family
Royalists and Windsor defenders are very focussed on dissociating Andrew from the rest of them .

They are all in on it - and more and proof of that is coming out .

Andrew had an aide who ran pitch@palace but who also coordinated with the palace press office and the machine at Windsor .
Apparently Epstein emailed to complain about a statement issued by the press office attempting to distance Andrew from Epstein . Epstein was annoyed at the wording.
This is after Epstein had been convicted . They all knew he was convicted of soliciting a child .

Epstein was told that the aide would ‘find out’ whoever in the palace press office wrote it and agreed the statement was ‘stupid’
The palace aide also asked Epstein for ‘heads up’ from Epstein’s lawyers in future so aides can ‘prepare’ .

In other words they were working closely and directly with Epstein to manage the PR ( lie to the public in my opinion)

I’m travelling at the moment and can’t link but the article is in yesterdays guardian

MrsLeonFarrell · 07/02/2026 15:58

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 07/02/2026 15:46

Rory Stewart, in his podcast with Alastair Campbell, The Rest is Politics, offers a very good description and explanation of Epstein’s methods and how he traded and leveraged money, contacts and favours for information with global bankers, business people, VIPs, celebrities, tech bods, , prominent academics, minor royalty to form a global network of reciprocal influence and favours.

It’s in the episode titled something like Mandelsohn’s disgrace.

Rory also asks the important question of how we protect our democracies from this sort of activity which skews governmental banking policies, legislation and money markets, to take a few of many examples ? Sadly, I think the horse may already have bolted on that score!

Did he have any answers?

The most depressing thing about the whole Epstein affair for me is the certainty that there are other Epsteins doing exactly the same things as he did, they simply haven't been caught yet. There doesn't seem to be the political will to change the system to reduce the chances of these people continuing to exist and flourish.

Ukisgaslit · 07/02/2026 16:10

@MrsLeonFarrell

I disagree . There will always be evil in the world .

What I find most depressing is that our head of state and head of the state religion and his family see fit to protect Andrew from the law

They have all known for years. There is no accountability and the Windsors are hiding behind that fact and playing with ‘statements’ and PR exercises and having any individual brave enough to publicly question them threatened with arrest

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