Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Epstein was filming everyone who entered any apartment or building he owned. He had hidden cameras everywhere which is why we got to see Mandelson in his Y-fronts this week. No-one is doing that because everything is above board.
His suicide was highly suspicious but not surprising given how many high profile powerful wealthy men he was allegedly blackmailing.

I am less convinced that he is an impartial observer in the matter of Andrew

Plenty of independent examples of MW's appalling behaviour over the years:

Spraying press photographers with paint.

Deliberately driving through security gates at Windsor causing thousands of pounds worth of damage.

Dropping papers on the floor and telling his protection officer to 'effing pick those up'

Making a maid climb four flights of stairs to close curtains he was sitting next to.

Just a few.

Up to you of course but it really is worth a read even if the only question you come away with is how the Windsors and their army of advisors could have missed what was going on under their noses.

I couldn't in conscience buy it once I discovered that he'd included certain details.

I borrowed it from the library...

Edward put on the spot, although the cynic in me notices that he didnt specify who he thinks "the victims" are.

https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-03/remember-the-victims-prince-edward-speaks-out-on-epstein-files

These photos look like mugshots 😂

Honestly, I'm sickened, not for the first time, not for the last time.

They must have known some of it at least. If he brings them down, so be it. I certainly won't cry. Every environment where there are men, money and power is messed up and the less of them, the better.

His wife will have put him right.

Same Eddie that was seen romping round a shooting party with big bro?

Arf.

I do wonder what she has thought of it all for the past several years, considering all the work she does with victims of sexual violence?

Good point re library @CathyorClaire - I will have a think about that. At present I still think probably not, on principle, but if I do decide to read it that would be the way to go.

There's an awful lot of clips of The Crown that are doing the rounds on social media that focus on it.

They were essentially living separate lives by the 60s

Picked up from a post by Pandora on the Starmer thread. 2003 article on Epstein, possibly his first profile, and before his convictions.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

"...Gell-Mann rather sweetly mentions that “there are always pretty ladies around” when he goes to dinner chez Epstein, and he’s under the impression that Epstein’s clients include the Queen of England. Both Nowak and Dershowitz were thrilled to find themselves shaking the hand of a man named “Andrew” in Epstein’s house. “Andrew” turned out to be Prince Andrew, who subsequently arranged to sit in the back of Dershowitz’s law class..."

The analogies to Tom Ripley and Jay Gatsby very prescient

Those details were when he lost all credibility. He’s vile.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e5zgprgn1o

I'm guessing they decided this was the best way to get him out of view, ahead of schedule.

What were those details?

I've listened to the Audiobook and found it fascinating.

Prince Edward is being lauded for saying that we must remember the victims when asked about the Epstein scandal. But I think it's pretty clear he is suggesting that Andrew is a victim too:
PE: "I think it's all really important always to remember the victims and who are the victims in all this? A lot of victims in this."

I might be being unfair but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Or the RF are at least. Otherwise what woukd ' all the victims' mean? Poor lamb now might have to pay rent on his own 30 room mansion.

Surely Andrew is not going to be painted as a victim? Personally, I don't think Edward was referring to his brother. I think he was toeing the company line because C&C had said about the victims in their official statement.
Bit of a stretch to think 'a lot of victims' means Andrew too!

I think this 'Andrew has moved out' on the news this morning is a result of the new pics and emails. The Palace are trying to look like they are doing something, anything.

I do wonder if there is any reflection on his part. Or Sarah's.

If you mean Edward, his gaff is 120 rooms!

Agreed, misconduct in public office and possibly, as well, according to some, the catch all of breaches of the Official Secrets Act.
AMW 's various activities while on Royal work, as well as his sealed ' trade envoy' activities would also come under this, but of course, nothing to see here from the Met.

I did, and 😮

Have you watched the clip? I struggle to see it any other way.
Although pp has a point and he might be referring to the RF as a whole.

It's extraordinary isn't it. They are quite rightly going after Mandelson, and yet Andrew, who was for all intents and purposes, working for the government and Dept of Trade & Industry...records are sealed.
From what we know, he was mixing with very dubious characters whilst on Trade Envoy business, he was taking along very dodgy people on his jaunts, he was involved in the arms industry in the ME, he fostered friendships with the Gaddafi family, and he was acting as some sort of "fixer". And it's estimated his total cost to the taxpayer whilst on his freebie trips was some £15million.
QE2 was so misguided allowing this appointment, even Charles advised against it

Yes I watched the clip a couple of times but only 15 seconds or so, maybe I missed something.

I really hope the pressure intensifies on the government to unseal the trade envoy files, it’s bizarre how little pressure and publicity there is to do that, I think that will be as shocking as the Epstein files are.