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Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

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TheHaplessWit · 10/01/2026 01:37

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Epstein Had Emails from Staff of Ex-Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson on His Desk in Newly Shared Photos

New photos from Jeffrey Epstein's New York home appear to show an email exchange between former staffers for ex-Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

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AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 03/02/2026 14:49

CathyorClaire · 03/02/2026 09:40

And Tupperware 😁

Link to £46m statue:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy46ee53w6o

Surely the best course to take now is to quietly shelve the project?

No, let the royalists fund it personally. If they truly are the majority it should only work out at a few quid each

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 14:57

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/01/2026 19:23

With hindsight I agree but I can't remember when he actually started the role and what was known about him beyond serving in the Falklands. If being an arrogant rich boy disqualified him then half those in power would need to resign after all.

Agree but Andrew wasn’t just an ordinary arrogant rich boy. His mother was the monarch and his family are funded by the general public to represent, in a symbolic way, our joint nations. Therefore there should have been higher standards applied to him and much tougher accountability.

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 15:06

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 07:26

One would hope so.

Just out of interest, if the public were interested in seeing AMW prosecuted firstly for alleged corruption in office, what is the mechanism that would trigger that?

How many letters to MPs must be written?

Then what would happen?

What are the steps?

The decision to prosecute is not Parliament's to make - division of power and all that.

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 15:14

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 13:18

Scotland Yard have said that they are 'reviewing the reports to see if they meet the threshold for investigation' - so they are not currently investigating.

If the emails were indeed sent, there are 2 possible criminal offences that I can think of - misconduct in public office, and an offence under the Official Secrets Acts. Either of these could be offences in the UK, and so could be investigated and prosecuted if necessary within the UK.

Lownie has been emphasising throughout that there is enough information on Andrew during his time representing the UK as Trade Envoy to convict him of alleged fraud and corruption offences and that he has a whole file of papers that he has offered to present to the National Crime Agency but no one is interested.

I don't know what information Lownie does or doesn't have, especially as the trade envoy files are currently sealed.
Having looked at the NCA website, it is not set up primarily for private individuals to report crime; it repeatedly refers you back to the police. If you do want to 'provide information on serious and organised crime' there is a contact form on the website, and a sentence at the bottom which states:
The NCA will review this information as appropriate and you may not receive a reply unless we require further information.

Things that are possible:
Lownie may have reported to NCA via the website, they may be looking at the information and may not have got back to him
Lownie may have reported to NCA via the website, they may not be looking at it and may not have got back to him
Lownie may not have reported to NCA, but thinks it's a useful comment to make in an interview as no-one will correct him
Lownie may have reported to police as advised, they may be looking at the information
There are many other possible permutations.

People who work in law (not Lownie) tend to be more cautious about blanket statements that there is enough information to convict of offences, especially when those potential offences might have occurred overseas.

Thanks very much for this forensic clarification bluegreygreen.

Given that Lownie’s primary obsession has been, for many years, at least since his book on Guy Burgess, the accurate preservation of public records, which when withheld, destroyed, or redacted, skews the historical record, and given his frequent legal battles over the Freedom of Information Act, I am pretty certain that his files are meticulously compiled and he will have followed correct procedure.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/censoring-our-history/56F67171E79A6E55BA34C72848CBA9F6

Censoring Our History | Transactions of the Royal Historical Society | Cambridge Core

Censoring Our History - Volume 2

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/censoring-our-history/56F67171E79A6E55BA34C72848CBA9F6

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 15:21

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 15:06

The decision to prosecute is not Parliament's to make - division of power and all that.

Thank you, I understand that obviously, but there have been many instances where public pressure on Parliament has, in several instances, reversed miscarriages of justice, prompted criminal investigations in to public figures, and initiated action against corporations , most recently for example with the Post Office scandal.

We are meant to live in a democracy after all?

Edited: so why shouldn’t this apply in the case of AMW? Sorry omitted my main point.

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 15:50

@Thewolffromthedoor89 I have no doubt his files are meticulously compiled. I am also in no doubt that he has evidence for many, if not all, of the allegations in his book on Andrew.

I am less convinced that he is an impartial observer in the matter of Andrew, as he is on record as hating him sufficiently at school as to kick him any time he met him in rugby. He also included a story that was family gossip from in-laws in his book, so less rigorous than I might expect of a historian.
Andrew Lownie: Times interview

Given that, when it comes to sweeping statements about potential offences that may have occurred overseas, I am rather more dubious.

This is not to say that I want Andrew to escape justice: I don't. I want any allegations to be looked at by the police and CPS, to see if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, as for anyone else. As I understand it, there has not been to date.

NewAgeNewMe · 03/02/2026 16:34

It’s all do disgustingly murky.

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 16:53

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 15:21

Thank you, I understand that obviously, but there have been many instances where public pressure on Parliament has, in several instances, reversed miscarriages of justice, prompted criminal investigations in to public figures, and initiated action against corporations , most recently for example with the Post Office scandal.

We are meant to live in a democracy after all?

Edited: so why shouldn’t this apply in the case of AMW? Sorry omitted my main point.

Edited

I'm totally with you that Parliament shoukd be pushing for an investigation into the AMW business.

But now also into Mandelson, as a matter of greater urgency. Mandelson was forced to resign from goverment twice, but then got given a seat in the Lords and then an ambassadorship. WHY do those in power keep giving this disgrace of a man office and power?

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 17:18

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 16:53

I'm totally with you that Parliament shoukd be pushing for an investigation into the AMW business.

But now also into Mandelson, as a matter of greater urgency. Mandelson was forced to resign from goverment twice, but then got given a seat in the Lords and then an ambassadorship. WHY do those in power keep giving this disgrace of a man office and power?

Not to defend Mandelsohn in any way but I gather he was appointed because he was deemed to be sufficiently tricky and despicable to interact with Trump’s administration and Trump himself. And apparently he did gain unprecedented access.

Agree his investigation is more urgent, as long as both take place eventually!

ThePoshUns · 03/02/2026 17:19

Takes a thief to catch a thief?

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 17:24

CathyorClaire · 15/01/2026 16:26

Sky TV / Security fence article with updated information indicating Mr MW will be vacating the RL premises shortly.

https://archive.ph/oZJql

Anyone who thinks it's a bit of a laugh that he's getting all the luxurious fripperies he could want please note him driving in what looks like the straight out of the box Landy he got his mitts on in early December.

Andrew reportedly wanted to live at Wood Farm on Sandringham, which is a five-bedroom cottage near the stables and pheasant shooting grounds, but there were concerns that would leave him 'too close' to the rest of the family

🤔

Nice to have a choice of what many of us would consider delightful rural period properties though!

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 17:41

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 15:50

@Thewolffromthedoor89 I have no doubt his files are meticulously compiled. I am also in no doubt that he has evidence for many, if not all, of the allegations in his book on Andrew.

I am less convinced that he is an impartial observer in the matter of Andrew, as he is on record as hating him sufficiently at school as to kick him any time he met him in rugby. He also included a story that was family gossip from in-laws in his book, so less rigorous than I might expect of a historian.
Andrew Lownie: Times interview

Given that, when it comes to sweeping statements about potential offences that may have occurred overseas, I am rather more dubious.

This is not to say that I want Andrew to escape justice: I don't. I want any allegations to be looked at by the police and CPS, to see if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, as for anyone else. As I understand it, there has not been to date.

Judging from that article, Lownie had good reason to form that opinion though ?

He calls one staff member a “fing imbecile” for getting his grandmother’s royal title wrong. His golf cheating reaches Trumpian levels of flagrancy and he is said to have left used tissues, soiled from his own autoerotic exertions, strewn on the floor of his bedroom for others to pick up*

The quote about the rugby is often used to query Lownie’s objectivity but it could be argued that he is just reporting on what he found to be the case! Many other people reportedly found Andrew to be bullying and unpleasant as a child too,

About the CPS and a potential prosecution though, surely the alleged money making and side deals off the back of trade envoy work constitutes fraud - allegedly - in its most basic form? Ditto the alleged laundering of money through dodgy property deals? Even his post trade envoy activities, such as allegedly consorting with a Chinese spy and endangering national security, is worthy of prosecution?

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 17:59

I'm not excusing Andrew MW's egregious behaviour as an adult. I'm pointing out Andrew L's bullying behaviour towards another child, who was at a different school, and the possibility that he may not be as objective as he has previously been.

Regarding potential criminal behaviour - all the behaviour you describe is certainly worth examining, and I would hope any information is with the police and CPS for investigation as to whether there is sufficient evidence to prosecute.
Again, people with knowledge in these fields for the most part do not make blanket statements about convictions.

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 18:09

I'm pointing out Andrew L's bullying behaviour towards another child, who was at a different school, and the possibility that he may not be as objective as he has previously been

Just because he gave him a kick on a rugby field, you honestly think he isn't objective? He contacted 3,000 sources. 350 responded and were quoted in his book and were quite prepared to be named and that is shown on many pages. Yet, you think he isn't objective because Andrew was a shit when playing rugby? Maybe read what others have said about Andrew within his book.

I thank god Andrew Lownie spent years researching this book against all odds, using his own money and a lot of it, applying for FOI time and time again. The fact he wanted to kick Andrew on the rugby field is irrelevant compared to all of that.

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 18:11

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 16:53

I'm totally with you that Parliament shoukd be pushing for an investigation into the AMW business.

But now also into Mandelson, as a matter of greater urgency. Mandelson was forced to resign from goverment twice, but then got given a seat in the Lords and then an ambassadorship. WHY do those in power keep giving this disgrace of a man office and power?

Totally agree.

The Financial Times article I linked upthread, from 2023, quoted a JP Morgan internal report (2019) for a NY court as saying “Jeffrey Epstein appears to maintain a particularly close relationship with Prince Andrew the Duke of York and Lord Peter Mandelson, a senior member of the British government”.

In other words, the closeness of the relationship was known 2 years before the appointment as ambassador.

That should have made anyone pause and consider - and that was in the public domain; there will have been information available to Starmer not in the public domain.

Rhaidimiddim · 03/02/2026 18:16

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 17:18

Not to defend Mandelsohn in any way but I gather he was appointed because he was deemed to be sufficiently tricky and despicable to interact with Trump’s administration and Trump himself. And apparently he did gain unprecedented access.

Agree his investigation is more urgent, as long as both take place eventually!

Edited

He was deemed guilty of grift while part of the Labour government TWICE. But still got given a Lordship. The post-Blait Labour party should not want to touch him with a barge-pole. It is a reflection on them that they couldn't find a better candidate among their ranks for the most prestigious Ambassadorship in the world. It indicates that the Labour party is either rotten and/or compromised.

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 18:18

You may have missed what I said in my previous post:

I have no doubt his files are meticulously compiled. I am also in no doubt that he has evidence for many, if not all, of the allegations in his book on Andrew.

I'm not going to read the book. I've read and watched interviews by Lownie.

I had intended to buy the book, at the time it was being discussed here, after recommendations by two posters whose opinions I value. I couldn't in conscience buy it once I discovered that he'd included certain details.

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 18:34

Maybe buy the paperback then... he's adding to it all with new information in a few months.
It's much easier to comment on his copious research when you have actually read what he has written.

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 18:44

As I said, due to the inclusion of those details I won’t be buying it

IAmATorturedPoet · 03/02/2026 18:48

bluegreygreen · 03/02/2026 15:50

@Thewolffromthedoor89 I have no doubt his files are meticulously compiled. I am also in no doubt that he has evidence for many, if not all, of the allegations in his book on Andrew.

I am less convinced that he is an impartial observer in the matter of Andrew, as he is on record as hating him sufficiently at school as to kick him any time he met him in rugby. He also included a story that was family gossip from in-laws in his book, so less rigorous than I might expect of a historian.
Andrew Lownie: Times interview

Given that, when it comes to sweeping statements about potential offences that may have occurred overseas, I am rather more dubious.

This is not to say that I want Andrew to escape justice: I don't. I want any allegations to be looked at by the police and CPS, to see if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, as for anyone else. As I understand it, there has not been to date.

You aren’t alone @bluegreygreen and have posted similar myself on the book thread that was running a while back.

Thewolffromthedoor89 · 03/02/2026 18:50

Well I’m going to buy the paperback in addition to the hardback!

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 18:55

RainbowBagels · 16/01/2026 07:56

Ive just started this and was surprised to see it just casually mentioned like it was common knowledge! Philip was ' allegedly' a serial shagger, so I doubt there would be many aristocratic mothers of the bride he hadnt shagged!

The Queen's husband?

TheCryingTheBitchAndTheFloordrobe · 03/02/2026 19:09

Sorry still working my way through the thread so I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but anyone can search the Epstein files here, if you’re interested:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein

 

https://www.justice.gov/epstein

MidWayThruJanuary · 03/02/2026 19:11

I’m definitely buying the paperback edition when it’s released.

Pinkbox · 03/02/2026 19:14

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 18:55

The Queen's husband?

According to Lownie at a talk I went to, Phillip made it round many of the mothers of that particular school year.

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