Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

It might just be the flash of the camera but AMW looks off his head in that photo.
Which has given me an idea...
Wonder if it has Charles too?

Why has Andrew been singled out for the absolute hounding in the press and on social media? What about all the other names mentioned in these documents?

Surely it is obvious why. He's a member of the Royal Family

Whatever went on (and we can never know exactly and for sure) the pictures in the media of him today show an absolutely desperate looking and very unhappy man. I just hope that nothing bad happens to him

He keeps doubling down. I haven't seen him looking desperate
He has brought the monarchy into disrepute, maybe he deserves to be a bit unhappy.

Sandringham does not belong to the state. It belongs to the King personally, as a family home. That's the reason why AMW is going there, to be housed at the King's personal expense.

I agree entirely. While fulfilling the diplomatic function required of her in an exemplary manner, she did not let the Institution move with the times.

Stuff like toletating AMW's behaviour and the arranged marriage cos Charles had to marry an untarnished virgin. But other stuff like not turning your back on her, all the curtseying faff, the fuss when Diana decided hats could get in the bin.

Spot on

Not only do I feel no sympathy for Andrew; I feel no sympathy for QEII, her courtiers, governments and civil servants who allowed Andrew to do exactly what he wanted for decades. The only people I do feel sorry for are Beatrice and Eugenie, who have to live their lives knowing the world knows just how awful their parents are.

I can't think about all of this behaviour without thinking too of the vast wealth that sustains it. I'd rather have a monarchy than a president but the monarchy is giving a masterclass in how to build your own funeral pyre. William has a huge mountain to climb if he wants to achieve the dual objectives of the monarchy behaving impeccably and demonstrating value for money.

I don’t want to say I told you s - no actually I do.

Also ugggh that there at least two other people in the room - the photographer and the person behind him in socks, who could be Epstein. The female person looks quite young too.

My DH knew people who played golf with AMW. He would hang about at the golf club where he was a member, waiting to see if anyone was up for an ad hoc 2-ball. (Nothing wrong there, it is a common thing to do.)

But then he would say - "now this is how it goes. I call you Jeremy and you call me Sir!"

That I-am-better-than-you expected deference thing right there is what now needs to go. At the very least.

W & K seem to get this, and I hope it goes further than just "call me William".

OK thanks. I wonder whose money they bought it with?

I think if there wasn't so much suspicion about Diana, AMW would have had an 'accident' a long time ago. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens in time.

In the very early days before the Epstein story became what it is today I watched responsible documentary on his life in Miami with credible witnesses to his daily life from staff and neighbours. It was very clear from Epstein’s MO - a stream of teenage girls visiting the house all day every day 24/7 - that it was totally implausible that Guiffre was the only one Andrew ever slept with. Or that he didn’t know precisely what was going on.

You're right, @TheAutumnCrow - for a moment I forgot the daughters would have been much more Epstein's age profile, and then there's the connection with Weinstein too with his invite to their birthday party

And for anyone feeling sorry for them, best perhaps to wait until we can be quite sure they're not just as bad

Albert apparently diverted funds meant to cover the family's Royal-duty expenses to buy either Sandringham or Balmoral (or both, I don 't now recall) but Parliament turned a blind eye.

It cost £220,000 in 1862.

I believe Victoria is said to have bought both Sandringham and Balmoral with money from her Civil List, which is why some query exactly who it belongs to

Not that there's the slightest chance of this ever being officially addressed ...

Edited to say I cross posted with you - also that I think Osborne House may have been another such purchase?

Epstein and a few others who associated with him - not exactly an accident, but we've been scolded before for using a certain word.

I do wonder if the reason AMW held on to Royal Lodge for so long was because it has such a strong, and permanent, security cordon; and whether he will be as well protected in his Sandringham property.

Prince Albert ponced the money off his wife’s government.

I was thinking about this today. I think he’s a useful deflection away from Koch more powerful men . When he ceases to be so useful.. who knows.

He deserves everything he gets. Not a shred of sympathy.

Yes, she put out the begging bowl to Parliament, pleading poverty because of her numerous kids and then surprisingly found the money to buy 3 'privately owned' stately homes!

Ugghh, god, I’m bloody sick of the lot of them - a bunch of ugly, arrogant, snorting, vulgar, ignorant gargoyles. Harry is basically a chav with a posh accent.

It baffles me when people say “oh, without the monarchy there’d be nothing interesting about the U.K.” Really? If I wasn’t a Brit, I’d still find the U.K. one of the most interesting places in the world. I’d want to visit Oxford University and see the place Oscar Wilde studied, or the pub in which Tolkien read the Lord of the Rings to C. S. Lewis. I’d want to visit the Yorkshire moors and see where the Brontes lived and wrote. I’d want to visit Shakespeare’s birthplace. I’d want to visit Bath and sit in a teashop reading Jane Austen. I’d want to visit Cambridge and wander the streets that Charles Darwin and Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking and Byron and Wordsworth and Milton and Nabokov and Wittgenstein and Bertrand Russell walked down. I’d want to see the pub where the discoverers of DNA used to drink. Not to mention Dickens and David Bowie and the Beatles and Monty Python and George Orwell and Aldous Huxley and Virginia Woolf and Harry Potter and so on. The royals wouldn’t interest me at all.

No comment from BP then.

Yes QE2 is not coming out of this very well. I've heard people talking - quite rightly - about rich men paying for problems to go away. But it seems that she paid 12M£ for the same reason.