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The royal family

As ever and PR disasters continued

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AtIusvue · 07/12/2025 21:35

So Meghan lost her fathers number but is ringing round hospitals and will send a handwritten note, as per Sussex sources speaking through the Sun, the Telegraph and the Times.

I mean I have no idea, how it works with PR for very famous people, but surely there are scenarios they prep for?

Her dad is in his 80s, severely obese and has suffered ill health for years. You would think, there would be protocol in what to do should the worst happen.

That would include having up to date contact info. This isn’t something Meg would need to have/get involved with if she’s estranged, but surely ‘The Office of the DDOS’ would. Then engage in their set plan- whether that’s a public statement that this is a private affair or that contact has been made through the proper channels.

Whatever this is, it isn’t professional-it’s complete chaos.

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Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 12:32

elessar · 29/12/2025 11:39

You’re absolutely right, for what they’re actually doing they don’t need this level of PR support.

But they’re staffing themselves for the level of status and importance they want. Meghan wants her business to be a global empire, she wants her TV show to be a smash hit. Harry wants to be seen as a leading philanthropist on the world stage. They both want to be seen as the most important and influential royals going.

Unfortunately for them, just wanting these things isn’t enough, and they’re learning the hard way that fame does not always equal popularity or importance, nor can you force people to admire or like you. What they haven’t learned yet, and the reason all their publicists keep falling by the wayside, is that the reason they keep failing and are getting ever more unpopular is not because the comms team aren’t telling the story in the right way, it’s because they themselves are unlikeable unpleasant people and the more PR they do the more they’re exposing themselves for who they really are.

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of The Men in Grey , they could have had the world at their feet.

chunkyBoo · 29/12/2025 12:46

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 29/12/2025 10:08

@52inJan if you read any of these threads you would see the endless links that are posted, read the links, make up your own mind if you are actually interested.

As for strong opinions, outside of this board I don't think about them at all, it is just interesting to chat on here about the things they do.

They choose to put themselves out there for discussion.

I think considering Meghan is number one most disliked ‘sleb, and Hazza number 5, it’s not just MN that dislike them

chunkyBoo · 29/12/2025 12:47

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 12:32

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of The Men in Grey , they could have had the world at their feet.

I’m not so sure, I think the house of cards was crumbling already, say Megain is too toxic and Controlling for anyone to tolerate

JSMill · 29/12/2025 12:48

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of the Men in Grey, they could have had the world at their feet.
I am not sure M would ever have been a success in the RF for many reasons. I think she did them a massive favour in flouncing off.

IcedPurple · 29/12/2025 12:49

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/12/2025 11:34

@IcedPurple they don’t need them, and even if they did, why do we even know about any of their staff? I have no idea what staff Jennifer Anniston employs, she doesn’t announce statements from “The Office of Jennifer Anniston” neither does any other celebrity, the nonsense grandiose job titles of their staff are purely to stroke their own egos which are driven by intense jealousy of William and Catherine, they both thought they could swan off to California and set up their own royal court and be the King and Queen of the glitterati and the world! In their conceited heads all the A listers would be bowing and scraping to them and the billions would pour in through their sheer wonderfullness and William and Catherine would diminished to nothing on this salty little racist island, it’s worked out well for them 😂.

Yes, I've also said much the same thing before. Why do we even know the names of their PR staff?

PR is a bit like support garments. Their purpose is to unobtrusively enhance the wearer's apperance. You're meant to notice the result, not the Spanx. If you're talking about the Spanx rather than the wearer's amazing figure, it's all wrong. The same with PR. Once it becomes the story, rather than the wondrousness of the PR person's employers, that's a sure sign that something is off.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/12/2025 12:56

There has been much written about how charming Meghan can be when she wants something

There has indeed, @Recollectionsmayvary, and it's because the MO is now so well known that I fail to understand some still being prepared to work for them

Or maybe they're not, and the very few left says more about a lack of applicants than the finances so often mentioned?

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 13:12

JSMill · 29/12/2025 12:48

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of the Men in Grey, they could have had the world at their feet.
I am not sure M would ever have been a success in the RF for many reasons. I think she did them a massive favour in flouncing off.

On reflection you are probably right , I was just thinking about how they dealt with “ loveable “ Harry .
Meghan was completely unsuited to Royal life.
Yet she clings on to her title .

Rhaidimiddim · 29/12/2025 14:04

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 12:32

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of The Men in Grey , they could have had the world at their feet.

And their staff on their knees. Unfortunately.

JSMill · 29/12/2025 14:05

@MylovelygreendressI do wonder how it would have ended up H. Yes, he was one of the most popular royals but so was his uncle Andrew at one point.

My2cents1975 · 29/12/2025 14:22

IcedPurple · 29/12/2025 12:49

Yes, I've also said much the same thing before. Why do we even know the names of their PR staff?

PR is a bit like support garments. Their purpose is to unobtrusively enhance the wearer's apperance. You're meant to notice the result, not the Spanx. If you're talking about the Spanx rather than the wearer's amazing figure, it's all wrong. The same with PR. Once it becomes the story, rather than the wondrousness of the PR person's employers, that's a sure sign that something is off.

I agree with this!

The fact that Liam is even a story is already problematic.

We have posters who, prior to the announcement, picked up that it was a spokesman who was allegedly aggressive during the whole Thomas Markle communication debacle.

So now, when Invictus comes up then media will likely shoehorn Thomas Markle's amputee status simply to stir up controversy and gain clicks as the entire matter was very badly handled.

The support garment essentially failed to contain the situation, became the story and opened the door to an ongoing flow of negative stories. And all this within the first month of employment.

What an own goal!

IcedPurple · 29/12/2025 14:33

My2cents1975 · 29/12/2025 14:22

I agree with this!

The fact that Liam is even a story is already problematic.

We have posters who, prior to the announcement, picked up that it was a spokesman who was allegedly aggressive during the whole Thomas Markle communication debacle.

So now, when Invictus comes up then media will likely shoehorn Thomas Markle's amputee status simply to stir up controversy and gain clicks as the entire matter was very badly handled.

The support garment essentially failed to contain the situation, became the story and opened the door to an ongoing flow of negative stories. And all this within the first month of employment.

What an own goal!

The obvious thing to do would have been to release a short statement saying that this was a personal matter and there would be no further comment from Meghan. That's it. No responding to any of the baiting in the tabloids or social media. The news cycle would move on and the story would be forgotten. But Meghan is incapable of not rising to the bait, which is why the despised tabloids love her. They just need to sit back and watch the clicks come in.

I would also think an ambitious PR profressional would want to be involved in promoting the 'charity' or other endeavours, rather than fire fighting about Meghan's personal life or Harry's vanity court cases. But as I said above, I don't feel sorry for anyone who chooses to work for the Sussexes. Their reputation has proceeded them for a few years now.

Thedom · 29/12/2025 14:59

My2cents1975 · 29/12/2025 14:22

I agree with this!

The fact that Liam is even a story is already problematic.

We have posters who, prior to the announcement, picked up that it was a spokesman who was allegedly aggressive during the whole Thomas Markle communication debacle.

So now, when Invictus comes up then media will likely shoehorn Thomas Markle's amputee status simply to stir up controversy and gain clicks as the entire matter was very badly handled.

The support garment essentially failed to contain the situation, became the story and opened the door to an ongoing flow of negative stories. And all this within the first month of employment.

What an own goal!

And he was (or still is) a trustee for a charity supporting veterans who have lost limbs. 🙄

Not exactly the best PR for him, under the circumstances, that he showed no empathy for an elderly man losing a limb, no matter what the circumstances of his family relationship are, (that is if the suspicion is correct he is their go to spokesperson since Meredith departed) .

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 15:07

Slight derail but I find it interesting that the letter Meghan sent to her father has not been leaked .

AtIusvue · 29/12/2025 15:12

https://robshuter.substack.com/p/exclusive-meghan-and-harry-the-bosses

‘They smile for the cameras, preach kindness, and insist they’re misunderstood — but behind closed doors, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are being branded “the bosses from hell” by insiders who say working for the Sussexes is a nightmare few can survive.
With their latest U.S. communications chief quitting after just seven months — the 11th senior PR exit since Megxit — sources say this is no coincidence. It’s a pattern.
So what’s driving staff away? Insiders point to three toxic workplace habits that make Camp Sussex virtually impossible to work in.
FIRST: THEY IGNORE THEIR OWN EXPERTS.
Former aides say they’re hired for professional advice — then instantly overruled.
“They’d ask for strategy, then scrap it if it didn’t match Meghan’s instincts or Harry’s mood,” one ex-staffer revealed. Carefully crafted plans were tossed aside after a bad headline or social media backlash, leaving employees scrambling to defend decisions they never supported.
SECOND: RELENTLESS MICROMANAGEMENT.
Sources say Meghan, in particular, obsesses over details — down to individual words.
“Nothing was ever final,” one insider said. “Emails would come back at 2 a.m. changing a single adjective — then changing it back the next day.” The constant rewrites, late-night messages, and sudden pivots reportedly left staff exhausted and paralyzed.
THIRD — AND MOST DAMAGING: BLAME ALWAYS FLOWS DOWN.
When projects flop or coverage turns negative, insiders say staff take the fall.
“You’re praised until the moment something goes wrong,” a former aide claimed. “Then you’re quietly pushed out.”
Industry insiders say the Sussex reputation has spread fast — and not in a good way.
“Top-tier talent won’t touch the job anymore,” one source said. “Everyone asks how long the last person lasted.”
Harry and Meghan continue to deny being difficult employers. But as one insider put it bluntly:
“It’s not bad luck. It’s bad leadership.”
Another staffer gone.
Another warning sign flashing red.
And another reminder that when everyone keeps quitting — the problem isn’t the employees.
Remember —
If you’re going to be naughty, you’ve got to be nice.
Cheers,
Rob Shuter’

EXCLUSIVE: MEGHAN AND HARRY — THE BOSSES FROM HELL: WHY STAFF KEEP RUNNING FOR THE EXIT

INSIDERS SPILL THE SECRETS BEHIND CAMP SUSSEX CHAOS

https://robshuter.substack.com/p/exclusive-meghan-and-harry-the-bosses

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ThePoshUns · 29/12/2025 15:13

My guess TM was offered a financial inducement and a water tight NDA.

My2cents1975 · 29/12/2025 15:32

Anyone who still believes in NDAs needs to take a long, hard look at President Trump.

Trump has a long track record of using NDAs and aggressive lawsuits to attack and impose his own will. And yet we, the general public, know all about the whole Stormy Daniels saga despite Stormy signing a $130K NDA.

The truth will come out...it has already begun to trickle out in the Hollywood Reporter and Vanity Fair articles. IMHO, once KC3 is no longer around to enable H, the truth will become a raging torrent of lawsuits...California style.

As ever, the only winners will be the media.

Lunde · 29/12/2025 15:39

BigWillyLittleTodger · 29/12/2025 11:34

@IcedPurple they don’t need them, and even if they did, why do we even know about any of their staff? I have no idea what staff Jennifer Anniston employs, she doesn’t announce statements from “The Office of Jennifer Anniston” neither does any other celebrity, the nonsense grandiose job titles of their staff are purely to stroke their own egos which are driven by intense jealousy of William and Catherine, they both thought they could swan off to California and set up their own royal court and be the King and Queen of the glitterati and the world! In their conceited heads all the A listers would be bowing and scraping to them and the billions would pour in through their sheer wonderfullness and William and Catherine would diminished to nothing on this salty little racist island, it’s worked out well for them 😂.

This whole "The Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex" thing feels very American - the sort of thing former Presidents set up to maintain the veneer of importance - like "The Office of Barack & Michelle Obama" the "Office of Donald J Trump" when he was out of office etc. It aims to give the impression of power and position when you don't actually have one.

A-list celebrities don't have them - as you say I've never heard of "The Office of Jennifer Aniston/George Clooney/Tom Cruise.... etc"

The Royal family doesn't do it either - you don't get letters from "The Office of King Charles" but from Buckingham Palace or Kensington Palace if it's the Prince and Princess of Wales.

Every time I hear it - it just sounds pretentious

IcedPurple · 29/12/2025 15:49

Lunde · 29/12/2025 15:39

This whole "The Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex" thing feels very American - the sort of thing former Presidents set up to maintain the veneer of importance - like "The Office of Barack & Michelle Obama" the "Office of Donald J Trump" when he was out of office etc. It aims to give the impression of power and position when you don't actually have one.

A-list celebrities don't have them - as you say I've never heard of "The Office of Jennifer Aniston/George Clooney/Tom Cruise.... etc"

The Royal family doesn't do it either - you don't get letters from "The Office of King Charles" but from Buckingham Palace or Kensington Palace if it's the Prince and Princess of Wales.

Every time I hear it - it just sounds pretentious

Many years ago I worked as an English tutor to a teenaged princess in one of the Gulf monarchies. Her father was maybe 1000th in line or something like that. She used to write letters with headings 'From the Office of the Princess So and So'. She didn't have an 'office'. Just a Phillipina maid who probably wrote the letter for her.

That's why whenever I see 'From the Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex' I think of little kids playing at being grown-ups. You're right that British royals don't do that, and neither do American celebrities. It's just another example of how Harry and Meghan can't decide if they're celebs, or if they are royal. They end up being neither. Just a bit of a joke.

Jbum · 29/12/2025 16:05

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 15:07

Slight derail but I find it interesting that the letter Meghan sent to her father has not been leaked .

Well some people were so sure she would leak it...she hasn't though will those people now come.back and admit they were wrong?

Why does anyone want to even see what was wrote not sure what is so interesting in knowing that

And for once since alot of comment here are about her doing everything wrong something has gone right, no leaking of the letter 👏

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 16:10

Jbum · 29/12/2025 16:05

Well some people were so sure she would leak it...she hasn't though will those people now come.back and admit they were wrong?

Why does anyone want to even see what was wrote not sure what is so interesting in knowing that

And for once since alot of comment here are about her doing everything wrong something has gone right, no leaking of the letter 👏

I thought most people assumed TM would leak the contents ? If he did then Meghan could say she was justified in not trusting him but he hasn’t so it could be said he is trustworthy.
I am not saying he is innocent in all this but Meghan has handled the whole thing very badly . All she had to do was release a statement saying it was a private family matter .

Jaffyyy · 29/12/2025 16:21

JSMill · 29/12/2025 12:48

If they had just stayed under the watchful eyes of the Men in Grey, they could have had the world at their feet.
I am not sure M would ever have been a success in the RF for many reasons. I think she did them a massive favour in flouncing off.

Agree - the phrase ‘Don’t let the door slam you on the arse on the way out’ may well have been used or ‘I’ll get your coat….’

Jaffyyy · 29/12/2025 16:23

BillyBites · 29/12/2025 10:06

A relative of mine used to work with Liam McGuire. Let’s just say, it couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.

He’s been around a loooong time - well before MM - reckon he knows where all the bodies are buried and has loads of muck on PH which he can leverage in his role….

bluegreygreen · 29/12/2025 16:27

Well some people were so sure she would leak it...she hasn't though

Some people wondered if Thomas Markle would leak it.

Some of us appreciated the disconnect between Meghan's release of information about the letter 'It is understood Meghan’s letter set out her feelings regarding her father’s decision to give several interviews to the media about their relationship' and her upbraiding her father for his involvement with the media.

There was also the subtle implication that Meghan thought it might be leaked 'The duchess is said to hope the letter to her father remains private.' (Of course, her releasing information was fine.)

Times archive link: https://archive.is/34pjk

BasiliskStare · 29/12/2025 17:01

The longer this show goes on , the more I think 1. M didn't get the WRF let alone the RF 2. Harry didn't understand how protected he was and how his value was being supportive to his brother ( caveat, primogeniture in the RF may not be a good thing but just at the moment it is how it works )

So, sadly for H he has "gone rogue" ( my words ) and he isn't as helpful or important as he once was and 2. M massively over estimated the importance of being an estranged in-law albeit with a title.

Had they been more clever and talented - those things would have worked for them a great deal better than they seem to be doing.

But M is beyond her wildest dreams she may have had back in the day as a cable actress and H has a family which he is happy with . So they should both be happy. There may be some broken plates on the journey but that's for them to fix.

Just one view

Mylovelygreendress · 29/12/2025 17:09

And …….James Holt has gone !

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