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Thomas Markle very ill

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Viviennemary · 03/12/2025 20:14

I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

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Justdancevance · 14/12/2025 16:11

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:28

No, because in my experience it is usually. You can say sometimes if you think it’s sometimes. I think it’s more often, based on experience, so I’ll stick with usually.

I have worked in care homes in my early career and then became a social worker dealing with lots of elderly people. My partner was a doctor, retired now, and my oldest child is a doctor, and all hold the same view. A pp said they agreed with me and they were a nurse I think. You get to see a lot in these careers and these and very ‘kind’ elderly people who are lonely haven’t always been very kind. They get weaker and ill and suddenly realise they’re alone.

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I’m amazed that people in the ‘caring’ profession seem to think lonely people have brought it on themselves

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:24

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 15:32

They weren’t twisted. You said it as copied and pasted from your comment. And again (which you seem to ignore ) other people have called you out on it 👍

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You did twist it.

@YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown said ‘lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around’. Then specifically about Thomas Markle, they said ‘The man behaved badly, I’d let him rot and be lonely because it’s what he deserves and he’s brought it on himself.’

You then twisted this in two ways, first by putting two bits of different sentences together as you said they said ‘those that are lonely brought it all on themselves’ and secondly by leaving out the very important ‘usually’ part.

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:26

Justdancevance · 14/12/2025 16:11

I’m amazed that people in the ‘caring’ profession seem to think lonely people have brought it on themselves

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I’m a nurse and agree with what the pp actually said, which was ‘lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around’.

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 16:30

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:24

You did twist it.

@YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown said ‘lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around’. Then specifically about Thomas Markle, they said ‘The man behaved badly, I’d let him rot and be lonely because it’s what he deserves and he’s brought it on himself.’

You then twisted this in two ways, first by putting two bits of different sentences together as you said they said ‘those that are lonely brought it all on themselves’ and secondly by leaving out the very important ‘usually’ part.

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No I didn’t twist it and other people have agreed with that and I’m not quite sure why you keep repeating your a nurse?

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:34

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 16:30

No I didn’t twist it and other people have agreed with that and I’m not quite sure why you keep repeating your a nurse?

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You’ve twisted it, it’s there in black and white. You edited two sentences together and missed an important word out.

jeffgoldblum · 14/12/2025 16:36

Justdancevance · 14/12/2025 16:11

I’m amazed that people in the ‘caring’ profession seem to think lonely people have brought it on themselves

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Unfortunately I find it usually is the way.

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 16:37

Justdancevance · 14/12/2025 16:11

I’m amazed that people in the ‘caring’ profession seem to think lonely people have brought it on themselves

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Exactly or maybe words are being twisted again 😆

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 16:41

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:34

You’ve twisted it, it’s there in black and white. You edited two sentences together and missed an important word out.

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No I didn’t .You need to read back and see what they said originally . I copied and paste exactly what was there with NO editing.

My2cents1975 · 14/12/2025 16:42

Are they in the caring profession? Anyone can say anything on the internet.

I would not be surprised if people who support those with extremely faulty memories (Honest, your honour I forgot all the emails) have leaky memories themselves.

BemusedAmerican · 14/12/2025 17:03

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 12:00

You think he’s lonely because he’s a good bloke? You think most people that are lonely are pleasant to be around? 😅

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This might change your perception on loneliness - at least in the US:

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/usable-knowledge/24/10/what-causing-our-epidemic-loneliness-and-how-can-we-fix-it

Illustration of lonely people

What is Causing Our Epidemic of Loneliness and How Can We Fix It?

Researchers share what Americans have to say about social disconnection and potential solutions

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/usable-knowledge/24/10/what-causing-our-epidemic-loneliness-and-how-can-we-fix-it

myrtleWilson · 14/12/2025 17:24

I’m surprised that my local authority’s loneliness strategy doesn’t actually state “lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people…” I shall be in contact on Monday to alert them to this glaring error

BemusedAmerican · 14/12/2025 17:24

The majority of Americans haven't saved enough for retirement and social security can't cover living expenses. The US is also a physically large country. If your loved ones live in the other part of the state, it can be a long expensive trip if you don't have a car. This may also make you think:

housingmatters.urban.org/articles/9-facts-about-impending-senior-homelessness-crisis-and-how-we-can-stop-it

ShesGotItAll · 14/12/2025 17:34

RunningByTheRiver · 14/12/2025 16:24

You did twist it.

@YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown said ‘lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around’. Then specifically about Thomas Markle, they said ‘The man behaved badly, I’d let him rot and be lonely because it’s what he deserves and he’s brought it on himself.’

You then twisted this in two ways, first by putting two bits of different sentences together as you said they said ‘those that are lonely brought it all on themselves’ and secondly by leaving out the very important ‘usually’ part.

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I haven’t commented on the thread til now as I usually just lurk, but having gone back and read what @YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown said, I agree that it has been twisted. Why do people do that? I work in a warden controlled housing place and the lonely tenants are usually the unpleasant ones. There are some who seem lovely that are lonely due to other circumstances, but it’s usually because they’re not very nice and any family that do visit do tell us staff why they don’t visit often and I can sympathise with them.

In Thomas Markles case, I think he has brought this on himself. If you betray your children and before a huge life event by going to the papers and having photos set up, what did he expect. If she was looking for an excuse to bin him, he gave her a great one.

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 17:40

ShesGotItAll · 14/12/2025 17:34

I haven’t commented on the thread til now as I usually just lurk, but having gone back and read what @YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown said, I agree that it has been twisted. Why do people do that? I work in a warden controlled housing place and the lonely tenants are usually the unpleasant ones. There are some who seem lovely that are lonely due to other circumstances, but it’s usually because they’re not very nice and any family that do visit do tell us staff why they don’t visit often and I can sympathise with them.

In Thomas Markles case, I think he has brought this on himself. If you betray your children and before a huge life event by going to the papers and having photos set up, what did he expect. If she was looking for an excuse to bin him, he gave her a great one.

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It wasn’t twisted

simpsonthecat · 14/12/2025 17:48

All the posters saying she didn't want him to come to the wedding, she was glad he didn't. Well. That's not true is it? Although it's convenient as a way of knocking the couple repeatedly.

He betrayed her by photos sold to the media being fitted for a suit and sitting in a cafe reading english Country Life or whatever
But more importantly, released court documents show that Meghan and Harry sent multiple text messages and made calls to Thomas Markle in the days leading up to their wedding, urging him to come, offering to send security, and trying to arrange travel logistics.

The couple also expressed concern for his health and warned against speaking to the press. Despite these efforts, Thomas Markle reportedly did not accept the security or calls, and talked to the press!.

This is fact so however much posters say she didn;t want him to come because he would let her down, he's fat, he would be embarrassing... court documents show otherwise. They were probably dreading him not coming because they knew it would open the floodgates for endless criticism... they weren't wrong because 7 years later it's still being bandied about !

Yes, they didn't handle it that well, but they shouldn't be criticised for not trying to get him to the wedding.

ShesGotItAll · 14/12/2025 17:54

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 17:40

It wasn’t twisted

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It was. When I first read your comment, as I hadn’t read all the thread, you said that the poster said, ‘those that are lonely brought it all on themselves’ when in actual fact, the poster had said ‘lonely people are usually lonely because they’re are unpleasant.’ Totally different because she said the word ‘usually’. Her words leave room for those who haven’t brought it on themselves, yours didn’t. You twisted it, which was unfair. As you keep pointing out others are calling them out on it, others including me are also calling you out for twisting it.

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 17:54

How do you know it’s not true? Don’t you think it’s odd that Harry has never met his father in law even when his daughter and he were on better terms. They had plenty of time to do this before the wedding but strangely didn’t.

ShesGotItAll · 14/12/2025 17:59

But more importantly, released court documents show that Meghan and Harry sent multiple text messages and made calls to Thomas Markle in the days leading up to their wedding, urging him to come, offering to send security, and trying to arrange travel logistics.

The couple also expressed concern for his health and warned against speaking to the press. Despite these efforts, Thomas Markle reportedly did not accept the security or calls, and talked to the press!.

Is that true? If it is, maybe she really did want him there and he really did let her down so badly by having contact with the press. Stupid man. Why didn’t he take their advice and offers of help of this is true? Now he is ill and she doesn’t seem to want to know. What a mess.

wordler · 14/12/2025 18:00

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 12:20

@Sleetandice533 - I do see your points - I do. But here's an alternative view. TM was put into a situation many would have found hard to deal with. I think it is possible with more support from Harry and his grey suits and MM he might have navigated the time leading up to the wedding better.

i agree with this - at the time I thought it was odd low late Doria flew in before the wedding.

I’d have flown both parents in 3-4 weeks be for a high profile wedding like this.

A week to decompress, a week to get fittings and wedding related things sorted, a week to meet the extended family and week to relax and get ready for the wedding.

She would still have had her toxic half siblings going to the press but they were just showing themselves up as awful and all sympathy was with Meghan.

simpsonthecat · 14/12/2025 18:03

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 17:54

How do you know it’s not true? Don’t you think it’s odd that Harry has never met his father in law even when his daughter and he were on better terms. They had plenty of time to do this before the wedding but strangely didn’t.

Because of texts released in court documents? She tried very hard to get him to come to the wedding. But if you don't believe court docs, there's not much more I can say
He refused to answer her and his calls and texts, and twice turned away security people she had sent close to the wedding.

I do, however, agree that Harry should have met him beforehand.

@ShesGotItAll Yes, it is true. Both harry and meghan repeatedly tried to contact him.

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 18:11

ShesGotItAll · 14/12/2025 17:59

But more importantly, released court documents show that Meghan and Harry sent multiple text messages and made calls to Thomas Markle in the days leading up to their wedding, urging him to come, offering to send security, and trying to arrange travel logistics.

The couple also expressed concern for his health and warned against speaking to the press. Despite these efforts, Thomas Markle reportedly did not accept the security or calls, and talked to the press!.

Is that true? If it is, maybe she really did want him there and he really did let her down so badly by having contact with the press. Stupid man. Why didn’t he take their advice and offers of help of this is true? Now he is ill and she doesn’t seem to want to know. What a mess.

He was unfortunately a liability & he doesn’t listen. Headstrong, yes, like Meghan. He could have done untold damage to her brand & narrative if he’d shown up & met H ahead of time as she knew. Very sad all round. ‘The letter’ V1 & V2 - M knows how this unfolds…

He does show himself to be, put kindly, a very foolish man. All the investment in Meghan & worship at expense of his other children…

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 18:11

simpsonthecat · 14/12/2025 18:03

Because of texts released in court documents? She tried very hard to get him to come to the wedding. But if you don't believe court docs, there's not much more I can say
He refused to answer her and his calls and texts, and twice turned away security people she had sent close to the wedding.

I do, however, agree that Harry should have met him beforehand.

@ShesGotItAll Yes, it is true. Both harry and meghan repeatedly tried to contact him.

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Where would be links to this. Happy to look at it

Lifestooshort71 · 14/12/2025 18:12

Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.
Like some others on here, I was fairly horrified by this comment and ready to jump in on the attack. However, @jeffgoldblum agreeing with the poster has given me pause for thought. I usually respect their opinion on these threads (well balanced and fair) so I'm now rethinking my original reaction - but, whatever the reason for loneliness, it's extremely sad 😔

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 18:13

wordler · 14/12/2025 18:00

i agree with this - at the time I thought it was odd low late Doria flew in before the wedding.

I’d have flown both parents in 3-4 weeks be for a high profile wedding like this.

A week to decompress, a week to get fittings and wedding related things sorted, a week to meet the extended family and week to relax and get ready for the wedding.

She would still have had her toxic half siblings going to the press but they were just showing themselves up as awful and all sympathy was with Meghan.

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Yes, things that are not about M directly do seem to have almost an incongruous slapdash air.