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Viviennemary · 2025-12-03T20:14:41+00:00

I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

Sleetandice533 · 14/12/2025 13:42

Mylovelygreendress · 14/12/2025 13:24

If they were estranged pre wedding why did she speak so glowingly about him ? Why did Harry phone him to ask him if he could marry Meghan ? Why did she speak lovingly about him in the engagement interview?

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Probably imho, because they may not have wanted to draw any attention to the discord publically, which is understandable given that the tabloids would eat up any story like that.

Sleetandice533 · 14/12/2025 13:48

Mylovelygreendress · 14/12/2025 13:38

My own view is that Meghan never had any intention of having any family other than her mother . She went along with the Dad walking her down the aisle but was looking for an excuse . TM walked straight into a trap. It could all have been avoided had Harry met TM pre engagement and arranged for him to receive support.

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I don’t disagree with that overall!

Where we differ is that I don’t blame MM for being wary in the first place. She must have been disappointed to have her doubts confirmed.

And I don’t think it was a trap. TM of his own free will, having worked as a lighting director in LA for much of his career, went to great lengths to collude with a pap and set up fake shots. He could at any time have chosen to remain discreet and quiet like Doria.

Lunde · 14/12/2025 13:51

She cut all of her family off before the wedding - except for Doria

Not even an invite for her Uncle the diplomat who arranged for her to get a prestigious internship in Argentina.

Mylovelygreendress · 14/12/2025 13:58

She also said she wasn’t allowed to invite her niece which was untrue .

BoxingHares22 · 14/12/2025 13:59

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 13:26

They are.

However with my own children, who are older, I feel as the parent and the older ones in our relationship, that they have learned their core behaviours from us and that we have a responsibility to set an example, even now. I really couldn’t imagine selling photos of myself to the press to cash in on my children’s ‘fame’, I don’t think many of us would, even if our relationships were strained. Parents generally I have an inbuilt instinct to protect their children, even when they aren’t behaving how you might like them to.

Off on a slight tangent but someone we know has a famous adult child, he is in a band and got into some bad things, has very little contact with his parents, said a couple of unpleasant things about them which ended up in the public domain. His parents have been offered quite a lot of money to tell their side but they never have and never will because he is there son and they have that instinct to protect him. Whatever Meghan did, and I’m sure she’s not innocent of everything, Thomas has failed as a parent in my opinion.

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So did your friends two as parents?

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:09

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 13:22

Oh please there is nothing wrong in my comprehension. And yours seems to be pretty poor because other people have mentioned or called you out on it also.

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Because it suits their narrative or something, because the word ‘usually’ means usually, not always.

If you usually visit your friend on a Sunday, do you always visit them on every Sunday or do you visit them on lots of Sundays but not all Sundays?

So again ‘Lonely people are USUALLY lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.’ This does not mean that lonely people are always lonely because they are unpleasant, and if you think it does, then yes, it is a comprehension issue on your side.

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:12

Justdancevance · 14/12/2025 08:59

TM did seem to adore Meghan, and did everything he could to put her on the best path possible.Unfortunately his adoration seems to have left her with an over inflated sense of her own talents and importance. I’m sure he was the one encouraging her to write letters to ‘important’ people to leave a good impression as he would have seen the impact of positive networking skills at work.

now we’re back again with Meghan and ber letters. The last one cynically written to be published, leaked by her side and sued once her dad took umbrage and replied. That worked out so well, she’s written a sequel.

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This is very well put. The exclusive adoration also sparked terrible jealousy in Sam & TM Jr, the superior education, everything.

I think the socio economic differences she felt at school also fuelled insecurity & burning ruthlessness & ambition. Not all of it necessarily bad.

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:14

BoxingHares22 · 14/12/2025 13:59

So did your friends two as parents?

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They’re not my friends, just people we know, I don’t know the full story, they certainly weren’t the best parents from things they have said and admitted to, but they still didn’t sell their story to the papers, which is how I think Thomas Markle has really failed as a parent. Despite them not being the best parents, their son saying things about them publicly and being estranged, they still had those inbuilt parental protection feelings which meant selling their story was a boundary they wouldn’t cross.

jeffgoldblum · 14/12/2025 14:15

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:09

Because it suits their narrative or something, because the word ‘usually’ means usually, not always.

If you usually visit your friend on a Sunday, do you always visit them on every Sunday or do you visit them on lots of Sundays but not all Sundays?

So again ‘Lonely people are USUALLY lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.’ This does not mean that lonely people are always lonely because they are unpleasant, and if you think it does, then yes, it is a comprehension issue on your side.

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What you should have said was “sometimes “ then , “usually “ implies that most old people are lonely because they are unpleasant.
having worked with old people, I can say in all honesty that yes , sometimes they are unpleasant and that is why they are lonely but equally some are lonely because their families are unpleasant.

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 14:25

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:09

Because it suits their narrative or something, because the word ‘usually’ means usually, not always.

If you usually visit your friend on a Sunday, do you always visit them on every Sunday or do you visit them on lots of Sundays but not all Sundays?

So again ‘Lonely people are USUALLY lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.’ This does not mean that lonely people are always lonely because they are unpleasant, and if you think it does, then yes, it is a comprehension issue on your side.

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You don’t seem to understand that I am not the only one who thought the same way about your post. And there is nothing wrong with my comprehension

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:26

Sleetandice533 · 14/12/2025 13:48

I don’t disagree with that overall!

Where we differ is that I don’t blame MM for being wary in the first place. She must have been disappointed to have her doubts confirmed.

And I don’t think it was a trap. TM of his own free will, having worked as a lighting director in LA for much of his career, went to great lengths to collude with a pap and set up fake shots. He could at any time have chosen to remain discreet and quiet like Doria.

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Some say as hobnobbing with the sophisticated on set meant he was surely cultured with high EQ & IQ. He was a very talented tech I think, that’s it, IMO.

A simple man who adored M, who must have made him hugely proud, he was her project. If you hear him interviewed he doesn’t seem terribly bright & nuanced. It left him vulnerable I think & he speaks as he finds.There was always the risk he’d be a liability & a loose cannon at the wedding. He might also speak freely about certain things in her past. For all we know he might also be a drinker.

M wanted to give the impression she wanted him there as her respect & love was the narrative. If you loved him but thought there was a danger he’d embarrass & let you down, what would you do? She knew, I think, if she gave him enough rope…

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:28

jeffgoldblum · 14/12/2025 14:15

What you should have said was “sometimes “ then , “usually “ implies that most old people are lonely because they are unpleasant.
having worked with old people, I can say in all honesty that yes , sometimes they are unpleasant and that is why they are lonely but equally some are lonely because their families are unpleasant.

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No, because in my experience it is usually. You can say sometimes if you think it’s sometimes. I think it’s more often, based on experience, so I’ll stick with usually.

I have worked in care homes in my early career and then became a social worker dealing with lots of elderly people. My partner was a doctor, retired now, and my oldest child is a doctor, and all hold the same view. A pp said they agreed with me and they were a nurse I think. You get to see a lot in these careers and these and very ‘kind’ elderly people who are lonely haven’t always been very kind. They get weaker and ill and suddenly realise they’re alone.

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:29

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 14:25

You don’t seem to understand that I am not the only one who thought the same way about your post. And there is nothing wrong with my comprehension

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If you still think usually means always, I can’t help you.

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:32

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:26

Some say as hobnobbing with the sophisticated on set meant he was surely cultured with high EQ & IQ. He was a very talented tech I think, that’s it, IMO.

A simple man who adored M, who must have made him hugely proud, he was her project. If you hear him interviewed he doesn’t seem terribly bright & nuanced. It left him vulnerable I think & he speaks as he finds.There was always the risk he’d be a liability & a loose cannon at the wedding. He might also speak freely about certain things in her past. For all we know he might also be a drinker.

M wanted to give the impression she wanted him there as her respect & love was the narrative. If you loved him but thought there was a danger he’d embarrass & let you down, what would you do? She knew, I think, if she gave him enough rope…

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I meant SHE was his project. Apols.

Jbum · 14/12/2025 14:34

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:26

Some say as hobnobbing with the sophisticated on set meant he was surely cultured with high EQ & IQ. He was a very talented tech I think, that’s it, IMO.

A simple man who adored M, who must have made him hugely proud, he was her project. If you hear him interviewed he doesn’t seem terribly bright & nuanced. It left him vulnerable I think & he speaks as he finds.There was always the risk he’d be a liability & a loose cannon at the wedding. He might also speak freely about certain things in her past. For all we know he might also be a drinker.

M wanted to give the impression she wanted him there as her respect & love was the narrative. If you loved him but thought there was a danger he’d embarrass & let you down, what would you do? She knew, I think, if she gave him enough rope…

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I can understand this all tok well, I would have so much anxiety taking my dad to family events. He woukd promise the wouldn't drink then he would and it didnt take much at his age either to get drunk and embarrass us all.

He wasn't even sorry. I always said to myself if I got married I would have a no alcohol wedding so he couldn't ruin my day.

His behaviour and his verbal abuse I said elsewhere ruined my relationship with him. I can talk nicely and appreciate the loss wy he worked hard to earn to put me through uni etc. But it doesnt excuse the rest od his behaviour it didnt make me love him unconditionally. At the end I didnt love him I tolerated him but if I coukd of or been willing to face the consequences I woukd of gone nc with him a long time ago. He is no longer here but I cant lie and pretend im sad, im honestly relieved, no more listening to how stupid I am, when we go to a family event that I am no longer anxious nor are we as a family embarrassed.

Family relationships and dynamics are always loving or simple and easy. It doesnt stay constant either or changes. I dont think anyone should be judging anyone on their family relationships they are complex

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 14:35

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:29

If you still think usually means always, I can’t help you.

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“Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.”
This is what you said. This is a blanket statement. If you meant it another way you should have typed it another way. And again to be clear I am not the only person who notices the same thing as I dod

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:41

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 14:35

“Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.”
This is what you said. This is a blanket statement. If you meant it another way you should have typed it another way. And again to be clear I am not the only person who notices the same thing as I dod

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I meant what I said. “Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.”

I understand that you may disagree with me which is fine, but at no point have I said that ALL lonely people are lonely because they’re unpleasant, so I’m not sure why you’re taking this so personally. Let’s say you’re lonely, you may be one of the lonely people that is lonely through no fault of your own, so no need to take offence.

Usually doesn’t mean always, and if you think it does, as I previously said, I can’t help you.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2025 14:51

My own view is that Meghan never had any intention of having any family other than her mother . She went along with the Dad walking her down the aisle but was looking for an excuse

Mine too, @Mylovelygreendress, and if this is correct it must have left her in a bit of a cleft stick - especially if Thomas was keen to do it

To have said from the start that he couldn't come would have been a story in itself, his so-convenient heart attack was a big story, and the biggest story of all might have arisen from allowing contact with Harry and the rest if there were matters she'd have preferred him not to reveal

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 14:55

Jbum · 14/12/2025 14:34

I can understand this all tok well, I would have so much anxiety taking my dad to family events. He woukd promise the wouldn't drink then he would and it didnt take much at his age either to get drunk and embarrass us all.

He wasn't even sorry. I always said to myself if I got married I would have a no alcohol wedding so he couldn't ruin my day.

His behaviour and his verbal abuse I said elsewhere ruined my relationship with him. I can talk nicely and appreciate the loss wy he worked hard to earn to put me through uni etc. But it doesnt excuse the rest od his behaviour it didnt make me love him unconditionally. At the end I didnt love him I tolerated him but if I coukd of or been willing to face the consequences I woukd of gone nc with him a long time ago. He is no longer here but I cant lie and pretend im sad, im honestly relieved, no more listening to how stupid I am, when we go to a family event that I am no longer anxious nor are we as a family embarrassed.

Family relationships and dynamics are always loving or simple and easy. It doesnt stay constant either or changes. I dont think anyone should be judging anyone on their family relationships they are complex

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I agree with you but it’s her deceit & dishonesty around this & other things. Would you blog about a different father, the one you wish you had, & construct a whole different narrative about your rise to stardom. Would you cruelly twist facts to make yourself saintly & villainise others? And so on…

PinkPanther57 · 14/12/2025 15:02

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2025 14:51

My own view is that Meghan never had any intention of having any family other than her mother . She went along with the Dad walking her down the aisle but was looking for an excuse

Mine too, @Mylovelygreendress, and if this is correct it must have left her in a bit of a cleft stick - especially if Thomas was keen to do it

To have said from the start that he couldn't come would have been a story in itself, his so-convenient heart attack was a big story, and the biggest story of all might have arisen from allowing contact with Harry and the rest if there were matters she'd have preferred him not to reveal

Agree with this & as I said upthread I think she knew if she gave him enough rope…It might even be the same tactics re: ‘the letter’ v 2…If he dies she’s done her bit, if he leaks, or a friend of hers leaks a draft they found lying around, he’s a terrible person.

Why not simply speak to him?

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 15:10

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 14:41

I meant what I said. “Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.”

I understand that you may disagree with me which is fine, but at no point have I said that ALL lonely people are lonely because they’re unpleasant, so I’m not sure why you’re taking this so personally. Let’s say you’re lonely, you may be one of the lonely people that is lonely through no fault of your own, so no need to take offence.

Usually doesn’t mean always, and if you think it does, as I previously said, I can’t help you.

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You actually don’t have to help me with anything.

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 15:22

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 15:10

You actually don’t have to help me with anything.

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Great, because I’m not going to have my words twisted. 👍

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 15:32

YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 15:22

Great, because I’m not going to have my words twisted. 👍

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They weren’t twisted. You said it as copied and pasted from your comment. And again (which you seem to ignore ) other people have called you out on it 👍

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YouJustLikeToLetYourselfDown · 14/12/2025 15:43

Benjithedog · 14/12/2025 15:32

They weren’t twisted. You said it as copied and pasted from your comment. And again (which you seem to ignore ) other people have called you out on it 👍

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More than one person getting it wrong, doesn’t make them right. I said what I said and I stand by it based on experience. “Lonely people are usually lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.” You seem to be taking this personally. It’s not. If you or anyone you know is lonely, you may be in the group that is perfectly pleasant, but are lonely for to other reasons, as happens less often/infrequently, although not usually.