Thomas Markle very ill

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I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

@Sleetandice533 - I do see your points - I do. But here's an alternative view. TM was put into a situation many would have found hard to deal with. I think it is possible with more support from Harry and his grey suits and MM he might have navigated the time leading up to the wedding better.

What’s rude and nasty is that PP saying those that are lonely brought it all on themselves. Loneliness has MANY causes but I note that you didn’t say anything about that ignorant remark

Very well said and I think the onus is always on the parent to make reparations if the relationship has broken down in some way, because they are the senior figure in the relationship.

Loneliness is caused by MANY factors and maybe you should do some volunteering with elderly people and hear exactly what their causes of loneliness is. I can assure you it has NOTHING to do with being an unpleasant person

You know that was the first thing that struck me when I read that post too. You see it on the TV especially at this time of the year. Old people and loneliness.

There’s a big spike in loneliness and social isolation in mid teen years - they’re all awful people too I guess 🤷‍♀️

I know and what struck me was the sheer ignorance of that remark but I was the one called out for saying it was rubbish. Says it all really

You’ll note I didn’t say all lonely people. 👀

When you have someone like Thomas Markle, who has had relationships, children, has had a career, connections etc, so has had opportunity to meet lots of people through those things, yet he has no one except a journalist, then yes, he is the problem. You can’t pick family, (and admittedly his don’t seem great) but friends that you meet through your kids, and people at work, through hobbies and interest you can pick, yet he has no one. How strange if he’s such a nice guy.

I’ve mostly swerved this thread because I’ve never seen so much lack of compassion and moral superiority in vilifying an old ill man who has recently had his leg amputated!
all in defence of a couple who have done exactly the same ( and in some cases worse) as the “crime” he is accused of.

Don’t try and back peddle now. You said it.

Mid teens haven’t had years to build up friends. Thomas Markle will have had ample opportunities to make friends with his children’s friends parents, work colleagues, through hobbies and interests, people in his neighbourhood, yet has no one.

I think that is a very fair point too.

We don’t know for sure why that didn’t happen though do we? Or what went on behind the scenes?

I think it’s probably always best to meet in person.

I know it was reported at the time that the late Queen was keen for MM to reconcile with her father.

And I think MM was reluctant to get in touch because she felt that TM’s phone wasn’t in his possession and his e-mail security was compromised.

TM himself may have refused help because he wanted to exploit the opportunity.

We just don’t know for sure. I’m all for family reconciliations but I think there has to be a degree of trust established first and TM seems to be doing everything to disrupt that, even now.

Edited to say: agree though that if they had almost locked TM up in Windsor castle; didn’t allow him access to phones etc, they probably could have rail-roaded him in to behaving better!

I’m not. I stand by what I said, that ‘Lonely people are USUALLY lonely because they’re not pleasant people to be around.

Yes I agree. Some people are so cold. Now we also have some posters saying because TM is lonely he must be an awful person. So now lonely old people must have done something to deserve it.

I think this sums up the very nature of their fan base

Of course you are. You made a blanket statement about people being lonely and them being the cause of it. I am not the only one who saw what you said. You really do need to do some volunteering in that sector because you have NO idea what you are talking about

Exactly.

I am grateful for what my dad did for me but as I got older and he did I saw him for who he really was, verbally abusive. Not jsut to me but also my mum.

He passed away this year, I didnt shed a tear because half my life I will talk fondly about him when I was smaller and for what he did to help me through uni the hours of work he put in but the other half post 20yrs old all i remember is the verbal abuse to me which was not much since i moved out of the house as quickly as i could but my poor mum put up with it. Every visit there was something he would say to me, he would get stupidly drunk at family events too which made it worse

Him spending money on me and working hard all those hours he did doesnt erase his bad behaviour. Doesn't mean I would of gone running to his side to care for him.

My dad didn't listen to any advice e from doctors or us about his health, his heath deteriorated because of it, he could of lived longer if he had taken care of himself better but he choose not to. Its awful to weaponise someone being ill and old as though it can erase bad behaviour and all is forgiven.

If Prince Andrew was ill and old had his leg amputated would posters on here forgive all his transgressions and be saying how awful King Charles is for kicking him out of his house and taking his titles away etc. I dont think so.

You don't understand obviously what it's like when your children are grown and you don't have work to go to each day.

Classic victim blaming! , no different to saying someone deserves to be attacked because of an outfit.

Classic! …but Andrew 🙄

Here we go let’s bring out Andrew when all else fails

I think TM treated his daughter poorly by having photos taken before their wedding and then speaking to the papers. The whole family seem like terrible people, no loyalty to each other and all very dysfunctional. He probably wants to talk to her now because he has no one else and is probably in financial difficulty. I wouldn’t be eager to contact him if I was Meghan. She can’t trust him, like Charles and William can’t trust her and Harry anymore. Shitshow, but they’re all reaping what they have sowed.

Tell me you don’t understand loneliness and social isolation without telling me …. One can have friends but still experience loneliness

The pp didn’t say every lonely person was the the cause of their own loneliness so it wasn’t a blanket statement.

I am a nurse and have seen a lot of old people navigate ill health over the years. I’ve heard the stories from their families who don’t visit often, that the old person may seem sweetness and light now, but that wasn’t the case previously, so I’d agree with the poster and say it’s very often because they’re unpleasant. Old people often mellow when they realise they’re alone.

Thomas Markle will have had ample opportunities to make friends with his children’s friends parents, work colleagues, through hobbies and interests, people in his neighbourhood, yet has no one.

Yes, I am sure he had loads of 80+year old friends, with the financial means to hop on a long haul flight at the drop of a hat.

He lived for a large part of his life in Mexico, as he couldn't afford to live in the US, now living in the Philippines because it's even cheaper to live than Mexico. His friends, neighbours, hobby friends, ex work colleagues etc, are more than likely from a similar socio economic position as he is, and also similar age group.