Thomas Markle very ill

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I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

It is quite remarkable to pretend that H&M were straight with BP when the whole fiasco around A's birth announcement is public knowledge.

Let the pretzel twisting continue at pace!

@Sleetandice533

“If MM had never intended to invite him that would have been the official narrative from the start surely?”

Absolutely not ! Can you imagine the headlines ( and statements from the Markles) if M had stated at the beginning that she was only inviting her mother ?! Especially as she had gushed about her father on Tig and the fact that H phoned him to ask for her hand in marriage.,
The late Queen and then PoW urged her to go and see him or bring him to the U.K. but she refused .
It seems pretty clear that M only intended to have her discreet mother there hence she was the only one to receive an actual invitation. Remember the nonsense that she was told she wasn’t allowed to invite her niece ?

I’m not sure. If he wasn’t going to be coming from the start, I think the PR side of things would have been managed a whole lot better and some excuse would have been found, probably involving ill health or a complex family situation and a statement about his non-attendance would have been made a lot earlier before all of the shambolic fall out.

All I read from it was sarcasm tbh 🤷‍♀️

At the time of the engagement there was no indication that TM might not be able to attend due to health problems( which I recall happening when Diana’ father was in poor health just before the wedding )
Nor was there any suggestion that only Doria would be invited .
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they really should have listened to William’s suggestion of having a small wedding .

Can I ask please how do we know for sure he wasn’t invited?

Because I wouldn’t trust a word that emerged from his mouth tbh.

He’s even playing games now from his hospital bed involving a DM journalist. He is not over imbued with integrity I would say 😬

If MM has manipulative tendencies herself then we certainly know where she learnt them!

MM wants us to believe she wanted her darling father to be there as she’d always been a big supporter on the Tig & otherwise. She’d told us herself he’d made huge personal sacrifices for her welfare & schooling & their bond was loving & tight.

Then H came along & IMO she realised her father would prove to be a liability, embarrassment & might let her down. He doesn’t have Michael Middleton’s discretion & might have promoted an uncomfortable narrative. If we judge him by his interviews, if given a platform, he might have an opinion on the ex husband, any skeletons in her closet & unwittingly been a PR disaster. The thing is, sadly, she might not have been wrong about any of this. How to manage someone like this? Is he a drinker?

IMO she then planned a slowish fade as her actions show. She knew the ‘darling Daddy’ letter would be leaked & kept the receipts re: any mitigating phone calls.

TM stated that he had never received an actual invitation which Doria had .
Pretty sure he would have shown it to the media if he had .
Also pretty sure that M would have corrected that statement if not true .
Frankly, father and daughter are as bad as each other when it comes to “ their truth”.

But you trust everything that comes out of his daughters mouth despite her proven lies (and Harry’s)

I think the PR side of things would have been managed a whole lot better.

I think we can now say, unequivocally, that any PR which Meghan is involved in, usually ends up as an unmitigated disaster, it happens time and time again, so I think there was no way the PR around her father not being wanted at her wedding could have been managed better, we know the Palace tried to convince her to see her father, we know they encouraged her to have extended family there, but she didn't heed any of the Palace PR advice and did it the way she wanted to.

No I don’t actually. I try and look at things as objectively as possible. And the reasons behind certain stories appearing. Who has vested interests in what etc. With an awareness that there is a cottage industry at this point manufacturing negative stories about MM. I don’t think it does any harm to try and state an alternative viewpoint every so often. I refuse to be led by the nose by the likes of Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson anyway.

So that means you don’t have proof of an invitation?

And yet, it was so short sighted and caused them more hassle longer term.

I’m sorry but this has made me laugh out loud. You have no objectivity whatsoever but insist that other people should.

Are you saying that people on here who criticise M are being led by the nose by those people as opposed to having their own opinions?

Yes I was right. You didn't understand it.

He officially withdrew from the ceremony following a very conveniently timed heart attack.

You actually said that out loud? When he’s had two heart attacks and a stroke?

Was his leg very conveniently amputated as well?

My father went to an emergency room thinking he was having a gall stone problem. It turns out he didn't have a problem with his gall bladder and he was actually having a heart attack. So yes, I believe that TM Sr. actually had a heart attack.

Asked AI “Can stress cause a heart attack”:

Yes, stress can directly trigger a heart attack, especially in vulnerable individuals, by causing a surge in hormones that increase heart rate and blood pressure, potentially leading to plaque rupture and clots; it also indirectly raises risk through unhealthy coping mechanisms like smoking or poor diet, which build up risk factors like high cholesterol and blood pressure over time, with severe stress sometimes causing "broken heart syndrome" (Takotsubo cardiomyopathy) that mimics a heart attack.

How Stress Directly Harms Your Heart
Hormonal Surge:
Stress triggers the release of hormones like adrenaline, making your heart beat faster and constricting blood vessels, increasing workload and blood pressure.

Plaque Rupture:
In people with existing plaque, this surge can cause a rupture, leading to a blood clot that blocks blood flow and causes a heart attack.

"Broken Heart Syndrome" (Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy):
Extreme emotional or physical stress can temporarily weaken the heart muscle, causing it to balloon out, mimicking heart attack symptoms like chest pain and shortness of breath

'It is understood Meghan’s letter set out her feelings regarding her father’s decision to give several interviews to the media about their relationship.
Meghan is thought to believe his collusion with the media has been a major factor in the breakdown of their relationship and a key reason for why they are unlikely to ever reconcile. She has not received a reply to her letter, nor had any contact from her father since its delivery.'

Also

'The duchess is said to hope the letter to her father remains private.'

Does that mean she's the only one allowed to comment on what's in it?

Times archive link

So M and H are allowed to talk to the media about the RF to the media and that’s ok? H even made a comment about his df’s health which provoked speculation around the world about his life expectancy. H also claims his family did terrible things to him and his wife that were so bad they left the country yet he wants reconciliation. However TM can never ever be forgiven or see his dd again?! Wtf.

Yes @JSMill. Nothing more powerful than Harry's own words, in a BBC interview, broadcast globally,

Yes, I don’t want history to repeat itself.

But through the disclosure process, I’ve discovered that some people do want history to repeat itself, which is pretty dark.”

The interviewer « That’s quite a statement. Who do you think that is?”

Harry replied: “I’m not going to share that at this point. I know all the names of the people that were involved in this process.”

“Whether you are my dad, my family, despite all of our differences, do you not want to just ensure our safety?”

“I thought with all the disagreements and all of the chaos that’s happening, the one thing that I could rely on is my family keeping me safe,” he said. “And not only did they decide to remove my security, but they also signaled to every single government around the world not to protect us.”

There is a lot of control and ability in my father’s hands. Ultimately, this whole thing could be resolved through him.

Just imagine an adult son claiming a parent is somehow behind wanting him and his family dead.

TM did seem to adore Meghan, and did everything he could to put her on the best path possible.Unfortunately his adoration seems to have left her with an over inflated sense of her own talents and importance. I’m sure he was the one encouraging her to write letters to ‘important’ people to leave a good impression as he would have seen the impact of positive networking skills at work.

now we’re back again with Meghan and ber letters. The last one cynically written to be published, leaked by her side and sued once her dad took umbrage and replied. That worked out so well, she’s written a sequel.

There’s an article by Caroline Graham of the DM if someone could archive it please ? ( how do you do that ??)

How did the RF signal to every other Government around the world not to protect him ?