Thomas Markle very ill

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I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

Agreed

What you consider hateful.

But I can’t help wondering what you are getting out of these threads unless it is simply to be snarky towards other posters, which is a kind of bullying, wouldn’t you say?

I read that TP has fallen out with Meghan .
Anyone know ?

The mental gymnastics required to say that the bully is the person calling out online pile ons against somebody who has been harassed by the UK tabloid press for years, who has spoken about the effect on their mental health, and all this in the light of Levison and Caroline Flack is off the charts. Hit a nerve much?

What about the mental health of those people she bullied or don’t they matter?

That's not what the post was about.

Oh I see 😆

That’s a lot to unpack there!

I don’t think you need worry about Meghan Markle’s mental health. You could give some time to the mental health of those she reduced to tears at their desks but that’s for another thread.

I feel we’ve probably exhausted this topic now.

So now prople aren’t allowed to talk about public figures? Press harrassment and intrusion is one thing, but of course prople are allowed to speak about celebs.

The mental gymnastics required to support a bully who has persistently and consistently been exposed by separate and numerous, legally water tight, investigations - published across highly regarded industry platforms including The Times, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Access Hollywood, Courtiers etc. - where dozens of witnesses and victims on both sides of the Atlantic shared testimonies of MM’s ongoing harassment, bullying and belittling of employees just trying to earn a living.

They have spoken out how for some of MM’s victims they needed to access professional medical help to repair the injury her bullying behaviours caused to their mental health.

All this in the light of Levison and Caroline Flack is off the charts. Hit a nerve much?

I have no idea how the friendship stands, but given Tyler Perry's recent scandals, any PR person would advise someone trying to market a family-oriented tradwife brand to put some daylight between themselves and Perry.

Bit difficult when he’s godfather to one of their children.

Basically you think you're sane and normal and anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't? Hmmm...interesting concept though.

Honestly, I can’t comprehend the mental gymnastics needed to blindly accept bullying accusations that were “leaked” oh so conveniently days before the Oprah interview by a former employee who has now received an honour from the RF and has a job working for Prince William’s Earthshott!

Does no one find it odd that allegations about Meghan bullying were spun in the three primary English-speaking areas: UK, US, and Australia, in a coordinated sequence? It’s clever because it’s almost impossible to disprove a negative.

Buckingham Palace has a well staffed PR department which has included former editors of tabloid newspapers and endless financial resources; they ruthlessly protect their own. We’ve seen it before when “friends of Charles” spinned against Diana.

Let’s not forget; Buckingham Palace has had lots of issues with bullying itself. According to Lownie, they have consistently covered up Prince Andrew shouting at and demeaning staff. A nanny allegedly left because he made inappropriate advances towards her, Andrew also has injured the arm of a policeman by driving too fast around Windsor Great Park. Both he and SF have bashed down gates with their cars, They also bugged communal areas where staff congregated and controlled them with NDAs.

Even more astonishingly, the Palace would probably still be covering up Andrew’s alleged sexual abuse of trafficked girls now, if it hadn’t been for the Epstein trial!

In 2003, Sir Michael Peat’s investigation in to improprieties in the Royal Household found, as reported in the Guardian, that “An allegation of homosexual rape made by a member of staff against one of the Prince's closest aides should not have been treated so dismissively”.

There was also the following article in the Guardian about another rape allegation in the palace which raises the question whether at that time it supported a bullying culture:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/09/monarchy.jamiewilson

Prince Philip bullied his own son according to biographers Sally Bedale Smith and Christopher Anderson. Other correspondents have reported that Philip would humiliate Charles in front of others. And Charles himself described Philip as emotionally distant and harsh and about never being able to please him. And of course Charles was sent to a school were he was famously bullied.

Lownie has suggested that the Palace didn’t publish the results of its own investigation in to Meghan’s bullying because it would reveal too many incidents of bullying internally; especially involving Andrew.

And yet everyone blindly accepts the Palace word on this issue? It makes me laugh honestly!

Wow that hit a nerve !! Is that you Meredith?

It’s a shame you didn’t read my post because you would have noticed I didn’t even bother to mention BP - even though PH inadvertently did in Spare……because there are repeated reports from MM employees as witnesses and victims who spoke up during the separate and numerous investigations exposing her bullying in workplaces pre and post her time in the BRF.

Are you saying these employee victims should be silenced - or are invalidating their experiences and voices by your BP whataboutery……?

I am a republican - so think they should all go and have never defended bullying of another human being by anyone.

Why hasn’t this highly litigious pair challenged the separate and independent reports of bullying via each of these publications if their employees are lying and defamatory?

Terrible behaviour for you to resort to.

So you disagree that its sane or normal to find it difficult to deal with your father being seriously ill? Cos thats what I said. Interesting indeed

Interesting that you accuse me of terrible behaviour NaturalW while 1. being quite rude and 2. completely ignoring the original sources of the bullying allegations against Meghan ie the royal household, which has dealt with plenty of bullying allegations itself. I think the latter is pretty terrible tbh because it completely undermines the Palace’s credibility.

That is my point! Please don’t twist it in to me defending bullying thanks.

This isn’t stuff I have made up. All the instances of alleged bullying at the Palace that I have referred to have been widely reported and published in respected broadsheets or by trusted correspondents.

Which begs the question, why would you not mention the Palace?

This is an interesting discussion to watch unfolding, speaking as a mild-mannered republican who accepts the monarchy of the UK and Commonwealth Realms is here to stay till at least King William V.

I feel that Harry has made an absolute horlicks of his life and I recognise the psychology of his enabling and fawning to one close person (M) and fighting everyone and everything else. It’s the psychology of addiction(s) and their effects.

I’m not sure - to get back to the thread topic - that Harry has the bandwidth for Thomas Markle and his forthcoming demise. I think he’ll effectively leave it all to M and the ‘aides’ and it’ll be very poorly handled, as per.

What about the allegations from America ? You can’t blame BP for that .
Not excusing ANY bullying .

I'm foreign born and a staunch Republican.

In my (arguably very cynical) opinion, the PR bods at BP would've seen a mixed race child as mana from heaven.

They are very aware of the global negative colonialist narrative and of how the younger generations are disengaged from the "Royal Family Ideal".

That child would be a powerful visible symbol of progress in keeping with the Zeitgeist.

They welcomed Meghan with open arms and, in my opinion, her heritage was actually seen as an advantage.

Regardless, the point is moot as PH backtracked and confirmed that no one in his family made racist comments. So we heard it from the horse's mouth.

No you are wrong.

There are separate and repeated investigations into bullying by MM of her employees outside of BP.

Dozens of witnesses and victims have spoken to various publications. I am satisfied with their testimony and appalled that someone who do the whataboutery that you have just done in an attempt to silence, distract and divert from their abuse in the workplace.

I didn’t need to refer to MM’s bullying behaviour at BP - because that report was withheld and there is already plenty evidence from individuals from the other investigations into her bullying and belittling of her employees in the US.

The BP report and your comments about bullying in BP more generally is a double edged sword for your argument - if true it would add to the consistent and persistent pattern of bullying behaviours witnessed of MM inflicted on staff and reported in numerous other settings - and there was a culture of bullying within the institution (I would assume that was also the case and should be investigated and dealt with) the two wrongs don’t make a right.

Dozens of her employees have spoken up about what they have seen and what they have suffered. All victims of bullying should be listened to and supported not have their dreadful experiences shut down or redirected.

An explanation for the Vanity Fair piece lies in its origins ie a dispute between Meghan and a contributing editor about a previous cover where a photo of Meghan appears under a headline “I’m just wild about Harry”

Harry and Meghan understood the headline to be racially motivated and pointed out the song, 'I'm Just Wild About Harry', had been performed by Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney as a blackface number in the 1939 film Babes In Arms.

And this understandably led to a dispute with Meghan’s PR rep at the time.

And the next headline from Vanity Fair was
“American Hustle”. As Michelle Obama pointed out; very sadly, the racist trope of the over-bearing black woman is all too familiar to some.

Btw, the Vanity Fair article only covers a period going back five years; does no one think it strange that no reports of bullying have emerged from the Suits set where Meghan worked before that for seven seasons?

On the contrary, Jon Cowan, a writer for the show stood up for her saying; "Having spent 3 years working with her in her pre-Duchess days, I saw a warm, kind, caring person. I know nothing of her current situation but she gets the benefit of the doubt in my book.

Janina Gavankar an actress from Suits
who attended Meghan and Harry's wedding, tweeted; “I have known Meghan for 17 years. Here's what she is: kind, strong, open. Here's what she's not: 'a bully'. ANY of us who know her, feel the same thing from her broken silence: Relief. The truth shall set you free."

Then there is the question of whether Vanity Fair is a little too closely intertwined with the RF to be entirely objective?

Katie Nicholl, for example is the magazine’s Royal correspondent and has been a contributing editor of the UK edition.

Mark Guiducci, the editor in chief, is reportedly personal friends with Beatrice and Eugenie, who allegedly înstructed staff to go easy on them in relation to Epstein scandal.

Finally, James Middleton, Princess Katherine’s brother, has written articles for them.

In other words, the magazine's coverage and the personal networks of its staff and contributors are very much intertwined. Don’t tell me that these links do not extend to the USA office!

As for the Hollywood Reporter piece, a gossip column, the dictator in high heels comment came from an anonymous source and I believe the article itself wasn’t attributed to anyone either.

One last thing, while looking up a quote for this post, I stumbled across this 2022 article by BBC Washington correspondent which explains the origins of the Sussex Supporters Club, which I found quite interesting!

It describes a royal enthusiast, a then sixty-five-year old black American woman, Ada Roberts, who grew up under segregation in the.south;

“Back in 2018, she helped popularise the hashtag #SussexSquad when her timeline was flooded with racist comments about Meghan after the royal wedding. The trend quickly amassed a following from men and women around the world - predominately people of colour - who wanted to use social media to support the duchess and her family instead of tearing them down.”

I genuinely never knew that the SS club started in response to a barrage of racist on-line comments about Meghan! Monarchists certain fail to mention this.

Roberts went on to say,

“One of the things about dog whistles is that if you've not experienced the racism, or if you've not been the victim of it, then you don't recognise it," Roberts said. "What may seem innocent to someone else, you can see, no that's not meant to be innocent at all."

Wow - you are still doing it …. Desperately attempting to silence and degrade the testimonies of the numerous victims and witnesses from a variety of employment settings to bullying by Meghan Markle with more whataboutery….disgraceful

Do you similarly dismiss the multiple women who spoke up in Me Too because someone gave him a character reference? Is that enough for you? Most abusers are highly manipulative and they hide in plain sight with their contrived charisma. They also kiss up and kick down - which MM was reported to have done on the Reitmans commercial where the Director posted on SM that she was the meanest person he had ever met - and that was way before her fragile ego exploded within the BRF. On suits she was very low down the pecking order and needed to keep her nose clean to hang on to the giddy heights of her acting career and the average 2 mins of screen time per episode.

So no you cannot smear the victims….are you saying they are all liars all working for different publications? If so get H&M to call in the lawyers for defamation and libel - this litigious pair are good at that - why haven’t they done that?

does no one think it strange that no reports of bullying have emerged from the Suits set where Meghan worked before that for seven seasons?

I thought there sort of were - I think it was along lines like of she was difficult to work with but less difficult than one of the male leads and it came from behind the scenes makeup etc.

Then I think cast came out to defend her - though she always strikes me as someone who punches down and is sweet to upper and same level.

She can't keep staff - and there are persistance rumours in different locations about her behavior - which suggests she not someone I'd want to work for - I think working with in a partnership she could be fine though I think there she and Harry have developed a reputation for being workshy.

I think it's part of her PR problem - many people can be difficult or bullies and others still manage to work with them and most people behave differently depending on their relastionship to the other persons most of us can charm or be professional when needed. I think somehow she upset too many people in media - it could be as simple as she not made enough people the money they expected but her PR is really bad.

PR trying desperately to pivot...