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Thomas Markle very ill

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Viviennemary · 03/12/2025 20:14

I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

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BemusedAmerican · 10/12/2025 13:36

If the RF had published the report and the names of the victims emerged, the Sussex Squad would have gone after them. It was very clear to me that Dr. Sophie, when she spoke up, was terrified that they would go after her, and she was indeed harassed. Look at what happened to Trussell Trust and Pacifica Jam. Look at what the SS did to Tom Bower in Canada at the Invictus Games. Members of the SS are posting vile comments about TM Sr. during his hospital stay.

I have yet to see either Meghan or Harry comment on SS behavior.

Janiie · 10/12/2025 13:36

'does no one think it strange that no reports of bullying have emerged from the Suits set where Meghan worked before that for seven seasons?'

Well no. Everyone knows people who can turn on the charm and I'm guessing being in a telly show after previously mediocre acting roles was motivation for turning on the charm.

Thedom · 10/12/2025 14:02

I do wonder about her suits colleagues 🤔🤔🤔.

Meghan had some very influential Hollywood people backing her when she married Harry. There was a time when a call from her could get someone fired, while Oprah and Tyler Perry may not have the same clout they used to have, they are still pretty influential in the industry. Ted Sarandos turns himself into knots about her to try to justify his huge error in signing a mega bucks contract with her, plus she was adept at using the racism claim for any criticism, so it’s understandable they would stay keep quiet if they did have any bullying anecdotes to tell.

They are all still jobbing actors looking for work.

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 14:08

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 12:55

An explanation for the Vanity Fair piece lies in its origins ie a dispute between Meghan and a contributing editor about a previous cover where a photo of Meghan appears under a headline “I’m just wild about Harry”

Harry and Meghan understood the headline to be racially motivated and pointed out the song, 'I'm Just Wild About Harry', had been performed by Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney as a blackface number in the 1939 film Babes In Arms.

And this understandably led to a dispute with Meghan’s PR rep at the time.

And the next headline from Vanity Fair was
“American Hustle”. As Michelle Obama pointed out; very sadly, the racist trope of the over-bearing black woman is all too familiar to some.

Btw, the Vanity Fair article only covers a period going back five years; does no one think it strange that no reports of bullying have emerged from the Suits set where Meghan worked before that for seven seasons?

On the contrary, Jon Cowan, a writer for the show stood up for her saying; "Having spent 3 years working with her in her pre-Duchess days, I saw a warm, kind, caring person. I know nothing of her current situation but she gets the benefit of the doubt in my book.

Janina Gavankar an actress from Suits
who attended Meghan and Harry's wedding, tweeted; “I have known Meghan for 17 years. Here's what she is: kind, strong, open. Here's what she's not: 'a bully'. ANY of us who know her, feel the same thing from her broken silence: Relief. The truth shall set you free."

Then there is the question of whether Vanity Fair is a little too closely intertwined with the RF to be entirely objective?

Katie Nicholl, for example is the magazine’s Royal correspondent and has been a contributing editor of the UK edition.

Mark Guiducci, the editor in chief, is reportedly personal friends with Beatrice and Eugenie, who allegedly înstructed staff to go easy on them in relation to Epstein scandal.

Finally, James Middleton, Princess Katherine’s brother, has written articles for them.

In other words, the magazine's coverage and the personal networks of its staff and contributors are very much intertwined. Don’t tell me that these links do not extend to the USA office!

As for the Hollywood Reporter piece, a gossip column, the dictator in high heels comment came from an anonymous source and I believe the article itself wasn’t attributed to anyone either.

One last thing, while looking up a quote for this post, I stumbled across this 2022 article by BBC Washington correspondent which explains the origins of the Sussex Supporters Club, which I found quite interesting!

It describes a royal enthusiast, a then sixty-five-year old black American woman, Ada Roberts, who grew up under segregation in the.south;

“Back in 2018, she helped popularise the hashtag #SussexSquad when her timeline was flooded with racist comments about Meghan after the royal wedding. The trend quickly amassed a following from men and women around the world - predominately people of colour - who wanted to use social media to support the duchess and her family instead of tearing them down.”

I genuinely never knew that the SS club started in response to a barrage of racist on-line comments about Meghan! Monarchists certain fail to mention this.

Roberts went on to say,

“One of the things about dog whistles is that if you've not experienced the racism, or if you've not been the victim of it, then you don't recognise it," Roberts said. "What may seem innocent to someone else, you can see, no that's not meant to be innocent at all."

There always an excuse for Megan’s bullying behaviour

NaturalW · 10/12/2025 14:13

I understood that her Suits colleagues - who were essentially much more prestigious actors than her - have subsequently all been Markled.

One of them said when asked if MM had been in touch that ‘none of them had her number’ - so it appears all the contrived charm and kissing up she did on set as the minor character amongst her colleagues has since been switched off once she moved on to more a ‘superior’ environment post marriage.

Disingenuous and inauthentic - as ever.

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:18

Janiie · 10/12/2025 13:36

'does no one think it strange that no reports of bullying have emerged from the Suits set where Meghan worked before that for seven seasons?'

Well no. Everyone knows people who can turn on the charm and I'm guessing being in a telly show after previously mediocre acting roles was motivation for turning on the charm.

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I genuinely don’t think this adds up though. Series like Suits are put together during long weeks and months of long 14 hour days! TV series work is notoriously gruelling. I just don’t think she would be able to sustain an act for that long and under those stressful conditions.

NaturalW · 10/12/2025 14:18

BemusedAmerican · 10/12/2025 13:36

If the RF had published the report and the names of the victims emerged, the Sussex Squad would have gone after them. It was very clear to me that Dr. Sophie, when she spoke up, was terrified that they would go after her, and she was indeed harassed. Look at what happened to Trussell Trust and Pacifica Jam. Look at what the SS did to Tom Bower in Canada at the Invictus Games. Members of the SS are posting vile comments about TM Sr. during his hospital stay.

I have yet to see either Meghan or Harry comment on SS behavior.

They didn’t call these attack dogs off (who claim to work in their name) when C was deep in cancer treatment - in fact they rewarded them by involving specific individuals from SS in their events and happy to be photographed with them.

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:21

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 14:08

There always an excuse for Megan’s bullying behaviour

I’m not offering any excuses for bullying of any kind thanks. I am saying the timing of the accusations are suspicious, and it’s strange that they only started after her marriage to Harry, one set of rumours was leaked a few days before the Oprah interview, by someone who now works for William. And that there are enough credible explanations behind the USA accusations to question them.

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:23

NaturalW · 10/12/2025 14:13

I understood that her Suits colleagues - who were essentially much more prestigious actors than her - have subsequently all been Markled.

One of them said when asked if MM had been in touch that ‘none of them had her number’ - so it appears all the contrived charm and kissing up she did on set as the minor character amongst her colleagues has since been switched off once she moved on to more a ‘superior’ environment post marriage.

Disingenuous and inauthentic - as ever.

And yet were invited to the wedding?

Thedom · 10/12/2025 14:27

I remember reading an interview with an actor on the show, not a main actor, who said they were all warned by the director or producer they would lose their job if they spoke to media, I can’t find that interview now.

But in hindsight it was very telling, wonder if they had to sign NDA’s to never say anything negative about Meghan.

Thedom · 10/12/2025 14:29

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:23

And yet were invited to the wedding?

Only the public event, not the private party, I mean she had to fill the seats left empty by not inviting her family.

BemusedAmerican · 10/12/2025 14:29

Tom Bower's new book is coming out in March.

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 14:30

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:21

I’m not offering any excuses for bullying of any kind thanks. I am saying the timing of the accusations are suspicious, and it’s strange that they only started after her marriage to Harry, one set of rumours was leaked a few days before the Oprah interview, by someone who now works for William. And that there are enough credible explanations behind the USA accusations to question them.

Of course you are. You plainly don’t believe they were bullied at all. The essay you wrote about the subject matter clearly reflects this. It’s victim shaming really and to you it doesn’t matter what treatment the staff experienced whilst working for them, it couldn’t possibly be Megan’s fault. The point here it that Harry and Megan have never sued Vanity Fair or any other organisation over these allegations. For a court happy couple surely you have to question why?

Talltreesbythelake · 10/12/2025 14:30

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:18

I genuinely don’t think this adds up though. Series like Suits are put together during long weeks and months of long 14 hour days! TV series work is notoriously gruelling. I just don’t think she would be able to sustain an act for that long and under those stressful conditions.

She was living in a rented apartment, presumably paid for by Suits. I'd expect good behaviour if the alternative was to get back in her car and drive back to California.

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 14:31

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:23

And yet were invited to the wedding?

Unlike her niece whom she is close to allegedly

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 10/12/2025 14:45

There's a lot of things round the wedding that are just odd - the guest list the behavior round dresses, the church weddding dress not fitting - subsquent stuff said about it all like they were forced into it.

It's just all odd.

Her Dad could have been handled so much better - and there was at time a lot of sympathy for her family situation as her sister was clearly not behaving well.

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:47

NaturalW · 10/12/2025 13:16

Wow - you are still doing it …. Desperately attempting to silence and degrade the testimonies of the numerous victims and witnesses from a variety of employment settings to bullying by Meghan Markle with more whataboutery….disgraceful

Do you similarly dismiss the multiple women who spoke up in Me Too because someone gave him a character reference? Is that enough for you? Most abusers are highly manipulative and they hide in plain sight with their contrived charisma. They also kiss up and kick down - which MM was reported to have done on the Reitmans commercial where the Director posted on SM that she was the meanest person he had ever met - and that was way before her fragile ego exploded within the BRF. On suits she was very low down the pecking order and needed to keep her nose clean to hang on to the giddy heights of her acting career and the average 2 mins of screen time per episode.

So no you cannot smear the victims….are you saying they are all liars all working for different publications? If so get H&M to call in the lawyers for defamation and libel - this litigious pair are good at that - why haven’t they done that?

Citing Me Too is a bit of a stretch and an indication that your argument is not very strong frankly.

I happen to hold a genuinely different opinion about this to you! That’s all! I think a lot of the flak that Meghan has received is racially motivated. And I am not accusing you of not caring about racism am I?

It is possible to discuss this in a measured way if you choose to.

I think Meghan probably is quite a strong forceful personality and I am not sure I would like her if I met her. Nor would I probably get on with many celebrities! But I detest media pile ons aimed at one person because imho they are tantamount to bullying in themselves. And I believe at least some part of this negative onslaught came about thanks to a strategic smear campaign. The timings in themselves were pretty suspicious.

Harry was quite close to the throne when he left. His departure set off the palace defence canons! It was in a lot of people’s interest that H&M were discredited globally. Remember what Harry said in the post RAVEC case interview about BP approaching other governments asking them not to give him refuge/protection? The RF defend their own interests ruthlessly and always have,

And as I have pointed out previously, I stand by my argument that BP itself has had a history of issues with bullying, and historic rape allegations, and they are the last people who should be spreading rumours about this given that they covered up Prince Andrew’s wrongdoings for years! . It’s quite a clever tactic though. And a diversionary one! If BP have evidence from the internal enquiry, they should have published it and made it transparent with the names of the individual staff members redacted. To my mind it’s very suspicious that they didn’t!

Posters say it was wrong of H & M to accuse the palace of racism and not be specific about it, But the Palace have done exactly the same by saying they were concerned about bullying accusations and would hold an enquiry to look in to it, and then offer up absolutely no proof whatsoever.

PinkPanther57 · 10/12/2025 14:51

So apparently M has now written to her father (?)

She couldn’t find his hosp in Philippines & doesn’t have his number despite him saying it’s unchanged. Or something like that…

BemusedAmerican · 10/12/2025 14:52

Then why have so many US staff quit? The RF is paying them off?

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:54

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 14:30

Of course you are. You plainly don’t believe they were bullied at all. The essay you wrote about the subject matter clearly reflects this. It’s victim shaming really and to you it doesn’t matter what treatment the staff experienced whilst working for them, it couldn’t possibly be Megan’s fault. The point here it that Harry and Megan have never sued Vanity Fair or any other organisation over these allegations. For a court happy couple surely you have to question why?

To be absolutely clear, I am saying that if you look at these accusations objectively, and how and when they came about, and from whom they originated, just as you might in a court of law, there would be enough dodgy evidence, or lack of evidence, to question the original charges.

That is in no way is the same as victim shaming thank you or excusing bullying in any way!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/12/2025 14:59

And yet everyone blindly accepts the Palace word on this issue?

Not all of us, @Sleetandice533; I don't imagine i'm alone in detesting a lot of what the palace get up to and believing H&M have behaved terribly, especially as they present themselves as being better than that, drivers of "compassion" and all the rest

Interesting to see Jason Knauf dragged into it again though - it seems some really can't forgive him for showing up Meghan's lies in a manner that couldn't be denied

Benjithedog · 10/12/2025 15:05

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 14:54

To be absolutely clear, I am saying that if you look at these accusations objectively, and how and when they came about, and from whom they originated, just as you might in a court of law, there would be enough dodgy evidence, or lack of evidence, to question the original charges.

That is in no way is the same as victim shaming thank you or excusing bullying in any way!

No point trying to back peddle. You don’t believe that Megan bullied anyone and you are shaming those who have accused her. This seems to be a common thread for those that admire her. She claims she was bullied by the RF (with no proof) yet when staff members have spoken to publications ( and not just British ones) to express their experiences of being bullied by her there’s outcry from people who have an attack of the vapours as they can’t conceive Megan could be guilty of this type of behaviour. It’s all so hypocritical.

LidlAmaretto · 10/12/2025 15:05

And as I have pointed out previously, I stand by my argument that BP itself has had a history of issues with bullying, and historic rape allegations, and they are the last people who should be spreading rumours about this given that they covered up Prince Andrew’s wrongdoings for years! . It’s quite a clever tactic though. And a diversionary one! If BP have evidence from the internal enquiry, they should have published it and made it transparent with the names of the individual staff members redacted. To my mind it’s very suspicious that they didn’t!
Yes I suspect they didnt release the report because it revealed bad behaviour by other members of the RF ( Andrew, Fergie for a start) as well as Meghan and that nothing was done about it for years.

wordler · 10/12/2025 15:28

I’m fairly sure that the Palace’s bullying review revealed a whole raft of issues that they did not want made public - not just about specific people but also failures of the systems in place which should have been there to protect the staff.

But it’s also not objectively true to claim that it was the palace leaking the 2018 memo before the Oprah interview in 2021.

Yes, Jason Knauf wrote the memo in 2018 but we have no way of knowing who passed it to Valentine Low and when Valentine Low got that information.

The timing of the release is far more likely to be a calculated move by Low who had a book he wanted to sell and tying it to what was sure to be an explosive world watched interview.

Before being in the RF Meghan had not had significant experience of her own staff. She’d shared assistants etc on TV sets with others but hadn’t been so high up in a hierarchy before and certainly not one where people bow and curtesy to you.

I think the US article were meticulous in their sourcing for that article - especially with a known to be litigious couple - they will have had their lawyers go over it again and again before publication.

It definitely sounds as though Meghan doesn’t know how to lead her staff without behaving in a way that makes them feel bullied.

PinkPanther57 · 10/12/2025 15:36

Bullying topic aside, to turn to TM again why is M writing him letters? That didn’t go so well last time.

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