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Tina Brown on Harry/Meghan

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MsAmerica · 25/11/2025 23:34

Tina Brown Thinks the Über-Rich Have It Coming
By Lulu Garcia-Navarro

Lulu Garcia-Navarro: One of your other specialties is the royal family. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are trying to make their own way in the world. They’ve had a rocky time being entrepreneurs. Do you think they have anything to offer anymore?

Tina Brown: It’s very sad what’s happened to them. I have never seen anybody in professional life make as many mistakes as Meghan has, and unfortunately Harry is not the brightest bulb, either. He thought that Meghan would be his guide in the big wide world beyond Buckingham Palace, and it turns out that Meghan makes one terrible professional decision after another. And now they’re pariahs everywhere, it seems, which is a very difficult situation for them because America was supposed to be the place that paid the bills.

What is sad is that Harry’s very good at being a prince. He’s charming, he’s upbeat, he’s attractive, he makes people happy when he walks into a room, he’s very good with young people. You could send him around the world and he’s always going to be welcomed and appealing. And I think he has realized too late that he was born to be a prince. And now he’s essentially just some guy doing P.R. gigs while Meghan tries out her latest cooking idea or whatever.

It looks more and more as if Harry’s best decision would be to find a way to come back to England. I’d like to see a way for him to make amends with his family, but it gets harder and harder as the years go by. I think that William is going to be the decider of that, and I think William has a very tough view of the whole situation, which is that the betrayal of Harry is not something that can be remedied.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/15/magazine/tina-brown-interview.html

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Indianrollerbird · 26/11/2025 07:57

Snowonground · 26/11/2025 07:18

Does any of that matter? Whoever's fault it was, they are where they are, having made some dreadful professional mistakes which has set people against them rather than improved their positions. Which is what Tina Brown is saying.

Meghan may "owe the Royal Family nothing". But in turn, the Royal Family also owe Meghan nothing. Which includes the titles on which they rely. Actions have consequences.

Exactly! The royal family owe Meghan Markle nothing.

MrsFinkelstein · 26/11/2025 08:00

Housewife2010 · 26/11/2025 05:12

She does.

Her Shop my page is blank, and none of her recent As ever products have sold out, NF now say they aren't going to stock her products in their physical stores. Her NF show isnt getting renewed. Neither is her podcast.

She's absolutely not poor - but she isn't monetising anything from DM clicks.

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 08:22

If I was being pedantic, I would point out that technically I only live about 3 hours away from putin and never hear anything from him!

SisterTeatime · 26/11/2025 08:37

I really think that both Meghan and Harry have significant mental health issues, probably due to childhood trauma.

Looking at what they have done since leaving the RF and the excellent opportunities they have squandered, I find it genuinely hard to see how anyone can say that they are doing well, given where they started from. Had they followed advice and allowed others to support them - ironically, in a not dissimilar way to how Harry was ‘managed’ in the RF - they’d have made a success of Netflix and Spotify and have many irons in the fire now. They could have been real power players.

Instead they have haemorrhaged staff, relationships, goodwill, contracts and opportunities, in a way that seems pathological. It’s not normal to fuck up over and over again like this.

I do think their behaviour has been unforgivable and there is no way back into a good relationship with his family for Harry, which is very sad, and I feel for William, who of course also suffered greatly as a child but was better able to cope and received more support due to being the older brother.

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 08:42

Although I do agree with most of what you said @SisterTeatime, I will say I’m uncomfortable labeling anyone as having significant mental health issues, or discussing them when it’s impossible for us to know .

SisterTeatime · 26/11/2025 08:50

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 08:42

Although I do agree with most of what you said @SisterTeatime, I will say I’m uncomfortable labeling anyone as having significant mental health issues, or discussing them when it’s impossible for us to know .

That’s totally fair @jeffgoldblum I don’t and can’t know. It’s just my opinion based on what I’ve observed. Also perhaps I should be crystal clear that I am not saying it as an insult. I guess it’s a view I’ve come to as nothing else makes sense of their behaviour.

I think they are awful people, but I don’t think they have behaved the way they have just because they are awful - I think there is more behind it.

Mylovelygreendress · 26/11/2025 09:00

MrsFinkelstein · 26/11/2025 08:00

Her Shop my page is blank, and none of her recent As ever products have sold out, NF now say they aren't going to stock her products in their physical stores. Her NF show isnt getting renewed. Neither is her podcast.

She's absolutely not poor - but she isn't monetising anything from DM clicks.

20% off As ever products if anyone is interested in runny spread and flower sprinkles !?

NormaMajors1992coat · 26/11/2025 09:02

I think they’re probably both damaged and awful, and it’s hard in people like that to unpick where the damage ends and the dickhead begins.

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 09:02

SisterTeatime · 26/11/2025 08:50

That’s totally fair @jeffgoldblum I don’t and can’t know. It’s just my opinion based on what I’ve observed. Also perhaps I should be crystal clear that I am not saying it as an insult. I guess it’s a view I’ve come to as nothing else makes sense of their behaviour.

I think they are awful people, but I don’t think they have behaved the way they have just because they are awful - I think there is more behind it.

Edited

Oh I’m not criticising you for your comments , just saying my personal thoughts out loud ! 👍

Sundayafternooning · 26/11/2025 09:06

SisterTeatime · 26/11/2025 08:37

I really think that both Meghan and Harry have significant mental health issues, probably due to childhood trauma.

Looking at what they have done since leaving the RF and the excellent opportunities they have squandered, I find it genuinely hard to see how anyone can say that they are doing well, given where they started from. Had they followed advice and allowed others to support them - ironically, in a not dissimilar way to how Harry was ‘managed’ in the RF - they’d have made a success of Netflix and Spotify and have many irons in the fire now. They could have been real power players.

Instead they have haemorrhaged staff, relationships, goodwill, contracts and opportunities, in a way that seems pathological. It’s not normal to fuck up over and over again like this.

I do think their behaviour has been unforgivable and there is no way back into a good relationship with his family for Harry, which is very sad, and I feel for William, who of course also suffered greatly as a child but was better able to cope and received more support due to being the older brother.

I agree with this but don’t necessarily think William did receive more support. I get the impression Harry has had allowances made for him all his life. He has been coddled and protected whilst I think William has been expected to just get on with things. William internalised his feelings more I think and he’s brighter, and on the surface seems more competent. I suspect he’s actually struggled a lot and continues to do so, but only those who are very close to him know about it.

Harry has been spoilt and indulged but also overlooked. I don’t think things were explained to him and he wasn’t given proper guidance . It seems several members of staff stepped in as mentors but he needed a strong father figure or an Uncle. Unfortunately his own father has a lot of issues, was very busy and quite a weak man. His Uncles all have issues too and he doesn’t seem close to them really.

I agree that I think they both have significant mental health issues , but that’s just an opinion. I think their issues seem to be getting worse too.

Sundayafternooning · 26/11/2025 09:08

Thedom · 26/11/2025 07:13

Meghan wants adulation though, she doesn’t want to be someone who is only ‘popular’ because of ‘hate watchers’, she doesn’t want to be seen as a substandard influencer and the butt of ridicule, she is desperately scrambling for recognition as a founder and philanthropist, it’s just not happening for her though. I think the laughing all the way to the bank is thanks to her husbands hard cash.

They would be up shit creek without a paddle if they didn’t have Harry’s inheritances.

Mylovelygreendress · 26/11/2025 09:09

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 00:03

Agreed , he gets overlooked because he’d had a growth spurt but he was only two years ( if that ) older. He gets forgotten because he keeps his feelings under wraps but anyone who saw the funeral march could see his distress.

The best thing that happened to William was meeting Catherine and being embraced into the close knit Middleton family.

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 09:12

Dorosomethingbeautiful · 26/11/2025 04:00

@MsAmerica what exactly is the point of this post?

Same as all the others surely? To discuss how pointless H&M are, so pointless that people who dislike them can’t stop reading about them or watching them!

WinterBerry40 · 26/11/2025 09:17

ninjahamster · 25/11/2025 23:40

Such bullshit I think.

Meghan owes the royal family nothing so I don’t really see how any mistakes can be attributed to her.

Harry wrote the memoir, maybe that was a mistake? He certainly has more loyalties to the royal family than she does. HOWEVER, he was really badly treated as a young grieving child, being made to follow the coffin of his mother. The royal family have traditionally been emotionally negligent and do seem to be trying to move that along but the damage is done with regards to him.

Harry didn't write the memoir , ghost writers did .
Do I think Meghan is a car crash of a business woman & purely cashing in on her name ? Yes of course .
Does it effect me in any way ? No , accept for entertainment value sometimes.

They wanted out of the rf ( other than the good bits ) by telling the departed queen one foot in .
Sadly for them , she disagreed so they were out .

jeffgoldblum · 26/11/2025 09:34

Mylovelygreendress · 26/11/2025 09:09

The best thing that happened to William was meeting Catherine and being embraced into the close knit Middleton family.

Yes , I agree 👍

Dollymylove · 26/11/2025 09:35

ninjahamster · 25/11/2025 23:58

Agree. William must have severe trauma too.

They weren't "forced" to walk behind their mother's coffin. They wanted to but the grown ups thought it wouldnt be appropriate. Prince Phillip offered to walk with them for moral support

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/11/2025 11:00

Sundayafternooning · 26/11/2025 09:08

They would be up shit creek without a paddle if they didn’t have Harry’s inheritances.

But Harry's said himself that he wants to keep the inheritance on one side for the children, so if Meghan hasn't managed to prise any of it off him that leaves the question of where else their income's coming from

There'll probably be some if the £££ is well invested, but their lifestyle isn't cheap and whether it'll stretch that far is another thing

FleurDeFleur · 26/11/2025 11:09

jeffgoldblum · 25/11/2025 23:50

Let’s not forget that he wasn’t the only grieving child behind that coffin.

Ah. That's always forgotten, Jeff.

ClickClickety · 26/11/2025 12:12

They seem happy and busy enough. If they can control their spending (especially lawsuits) they can have a great life with their children. Lots of celeb business ventures fail so if she can make a bit of money out of hers and he gets paid $$$ to give a speech every few months then good luck to them.

BoudiccaRuled · 26/11/2025 12:24

Sundayafternooning · 26/11/2025 09:06

I agree with this but don’t necessarily think William did receive more support. I get the impression Harry has had allowances made for him all his life. He has been coddled and protected whilst I think William has been expected to just get on with things. William internalised his feelings more I think and he’s brighter, and on the surface seems more competent. I suspect he’s actually struggled a lot and continues to do so, but only those who are very close to him know about it.

Harry has been spoilt and indulged but also overlooked. I don’t think things were explained to him and he wasn’t given proper guidance . It seems several members of staff stepped in as mentors but he needed a strong father figure or an Uncle. Unfortunately his own father has a lot of issues, was very busy and quite a weak man. His Uncles all have issues too and he doesn’t seem close to them really.

I agree that I think they both have significant mental health issues , but that’s just an opinion. I think their issues seem to be getting worse too.

We have no idea whether William is brighter or less awful.
All we know, thanks to Harry's downfall, is that every aspect of William's life is managed and advised by very clever people!

FleurDeFleur · 26/11/2025 12:27

BoudiccaRuled · 26/11/2025 12:24

We have no idea whether William is brighter or less awful.
All we know, thanks to Harry's downfall, is that every aspect of William's life is managed and advised by very clever people!

The very people who effectively controlled, managed and promoted Harry, and who he dismissed as "the men in grey suits".

BemusedAmerican · 26/11/2025 12:40

BoudiccaRuled · 26/11/2025 12:24

We have no idea whether William is brighter or less awful.
All we know, thanks to Harry's downfall, is that every aspect of William's life is managed and advised by very clever people!

Yes, but William is smart enough to listen to his advisors. They also don't seem to be frequently quitting due to bullying.

Mylovelygreendress · 26/11/2025 12:42

BoudiccaRuled · 26/11/2025 12:24

We have no idea whether William is brighter or less awful.
All we know, thanks to Harry's downfall, is that every aspect of William's life is managed and advised by very clever people!

You do not get a 2:1 from St Andrews University by being thick .

FleurDeFleur · 26/11/2025 13:03

Mylovelygreendress · 26/11/2025 12:42

You do not get a 2:1 from St Andrews University by being thick .

No, you're right, and when I've heard him speak recently, I thought he was intelligent and reflective. He made the cause the centre of his actions, not himself.

FleurDeFleur · 26/11/2025 13:04

BemusedAmerican · 26/11/2025 12:40

Yes, but William is smart enough to listen to his advisors. They also don't seem to be frequently quitting due to bullying.

He also doesn't frequently and bitterly complain about his own misfortune. A plus in my book.

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