Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

[ladykale]

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

Goodness me, you are blessed. Who knew there was someone out there who never makes a mistake, never prejudges, always gets it right, you must be floating around on a cloud of happiness, well done you!

YANBU at all.
Isn't it interesting in the week where Paedo Andrew is attracting attention for all the wrong reasons, and bam we have a headline news in DM dissing Meghan.
God the distraction nonsense from our gutter media is so glaringly obvious.
Labour up to no good, UK failing apart? let's distract everyone with stories about putin and trump. And it works, I know what threads will be posted just by looking at the gutter press headlines. They have everyone talking about exactly what they want them to.

@CoffeeCantata
The creepy performance of M on the engagement interview.
100% this - it rang real alarm bells to me but seemed to go generally unnoticed, I guess a lot of people were happy for Harry and really thought he'd struck lucky, I know I did until then.

Clearly Meghan’s ex employee wanted the news of her quitting her job after 3 months to be out there in public, don’t know why she would be helping the RF to distract from Andrew.

It wouldn’t be surprising if she is another bullied employee with a watertight NDA, who cannot speak out. It’s funny how Meghan supporters want to deflect from all the evidence of her being a not very nice person.

The problem about replying to them though is they drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience 🤣.

The last reply I got was she was going to laugh all day at my post .. so she’s got a lot going on in her life. Imagine having to juggle laughing all day and hating on MM .. nightmare for her 🤣

Really long post to quote, but also so much barefaced falsehoods.

H&M left in 2019. He was son of the PoW. QE2 didn't die until 2022. While his own accommodation for his wife and family, was a lot less prestigious, despite him being a son of the monarch. The sons of the Monarch in 2019 were Charles, Andrew & Edward. So according to your logic they were all in perfectly appropriate accomodation for their positions.

Who knows what properties H&M would have been offered had they not left, but instead chosen to step down as Senior Working Royals and remained on friendly terms? They had been offered Apt 1 in Kensington Palace (bigger apt than W&C). They refused it. Charles offered to buy them a country estate. They refused that.

But by 2022, according to your logic, as now son of the Monarch - he would have been offered bigger accommodation.

Harry also got fully taxpayer funded Police Protection at QE2 funeral, at his father's coronation, when he visited his father after his cancer diagnosis. In fact - he gets fully assessed police protection whenever he (& Meghan) would visit the UK - fully risk assessed. It should barely need pointing out Andrew got protection because he was going to an event where the Monarch and Heir were also attending.

I think Andrew is a vile, pompous, entitled twat, as is his wife. I'm delighted he's no longer able to use his titles and is being fully scrutinised. If criminal acts have been committed then he should be held fully accountable - as should ALL the other men involved in Epstein's illegal activity.

I think H&M are pretty vacuous, entitled airheads whose pompous behaviour on the American celeb circuit makes me laugh. In the same way celebs like the Kardashians do. I find them a fascinating study into grandiose delusions and behaviour - and a never before seen rise & fall when fame has overwhelmed. I hope H pays his court costs back to the UK taxpayer.

But what do I know? Apparently I'm just Peggy Mitchell.

Imagine laughing all day about mm post..like doesnt something else in your life make you laugh than a sm post. Not to mention thats in your heads pace all day long...

Yes that is obviously the latest monarchist line as so many of you are stating it all at once! Funny that!

I don’t buy it. It’s a very rational question that most reasonable people will be asking in the circumstances; that in the middle of the Prince Andrew furore where at long last, mainstream media and certain MPs are asking more questions about Prince Andrew’s potentially illegal activities while trade envoy, and his peppercorn rent and the murky arrangements surrounding public and private financing, why does Meghan Markle have to be mentioned at all?

And yet she is! Piers Morgan is spouting on about her again and using his new anti-woke book as an excuse to do it!

And Meghan’s was at one point second story in the Daily Fail again today!

No doubt it will be Camilla’s friend, Jeremy Clarkson, next!

The plain and simple answer is that stories about Meghan have been used time and time again to (a) distract from the less salubrious antics of the RF and (b) to make money,

Anyone with any nouse most surely recognise a PR strategy by now when they see one?

Accusing someone of racism without any evidence is about as low as a person can get

Imagine spending so much time on these threads and never once writing anything that made perfect sense, nor anything that added something interesting to the conversation; rather the choice to come here is to write insults about other posters. That person must have a very sad life. .

Sorry but I genuinely don’t understand the Peggy Mitchell reference! Apologies!

Yes I forgot to put the word “future” ahead of monarch and stand corrected, but I think it was pretty obvious to everyone involved at that point that the late QE2’s reign was drawing to a close and there had been a transition of power and decision-making to Charles. Many journalists within the Royal Rota have testified to this.

In reality, I am certain that the imminent succession of KC3 was in everyone’s minds when Harry and Meghan experienced their difficulties. Had the late Queen been making decisions about their roles and housing alone, I am sure it would have all gone much more smoothly.

I’d be interested to know your source for the story about Harry being offered a country estate please? I have heard it mentioned on here but have never come across a source myself.

It’s pretty obvious that Harry would be given tax payer funded police protection during major events like the Queen’s funeral and the Coronation! What I was pointing out was that Andrew received it very recently when he could have just taken an Uber! What is available to one so easily is not available to the other without a lot of advance notice!

And sorry I have read the “H&M are a fascinating study” rhetoric a thousand times on here as an excuse for picking relentlessly on someone who may be annoying but who
has done nothing to justify the amount of vitriol aimed at her, certainly nothing near the level of Andrew’s misdemeanours, and I think it is a disingenuous excuse.

Yeah that works both ways! 😁

well this is why you believe alll of the shit MM puts out in the world - you reed things at face value, no depth or critical thinking about what people say - just read what’s written or hear what’s said and take it at face value - just so you’re aware - of course I’m not thinking about it all day, it’s just a phrase to highlight how shallow a response was to my question about apparently being a racist, and when challenged, being told nothing to prove I had been racist.

secondly when a poster tries to bully someone by calling them a racist without reason then maybe rather than the poster actually being a racist, perhaps the ‘accuser’ is just a bully with no ability to discuss, they just throw the racism word in like a bomb to shut people up … sorry but no, a discussion board is for discussion, not somewhere to call people names if they have a valid point that isn’t liked

"The thought of Mariella Frostrup ranting away on MN about MM is funny because it’s ridiculous and totally beneath her. But Peggy Mitchell would have been all over your rants, you’d be egging each other on. What you’re doing on here is foaming at the mouth about a stranger. It’s low rent behaviour. It’s also depressing to think that this is how you live your life." Posted by @crinkletits

Yet another insult aimed at people who have a different POV. Alongside the plebs, forelock tuggers, sheep etc.

Well I would go along with forelock tuggers (joke) 😃

I don’t agree with the pleb comment, but in all honesty, I do think there is a bit of reluctance on behalf of royalists who are so attached to the principle of having a monarchy that it prevents them from wanting to look behind the veil of what is revealed when a serious journalist goes diggiing.

It’s rarely anything good! Do monarchists ever ask with genuine curiosity why it is necessary for our H of S to be cloaked in heavy layers of secrecy? And why so much information is unavailable to us ordinary citizens? Such as their wills and records of Andrew’s time spent working with the foreign office?

I know that monarchists are as individual as republicans in their views, but if we are lumping them all roughly together, I would have more respect, if one of their number had, for example, in response to Lownie’s findings, started a thread asking how much the late QE2 knew about Andrew’s “dodgy financial deals on the side” while acting as trade envoy? It’s also seriously worrying that us ordinary folk have few powers to change this situation.

I mean, this is serious stuff! Our head of state potentially covering up illegal behaviour! The Royal family acting as though they are above the law!

I may have missed it as I am not on here all of the time, but to my knowledge not one monarchist has posed this question? And it makes me question their objectivity and integrity if I’m honest.

That’s a sincere answer btw. I don’t want to insult anyone.

Not really. Most regular critics of the Sussexes - the ones being criticised in this thread - are informed, inquiring, polite and literate. They don’t come here to call others jealous, racist, forelock tuggers etc. You might not like the subject matter of the discussion, but it is a discussion. At the very least, they have the courtesy to ensure their words make sense before pressing “post”.

Meghan loves to grab a mic and hold forth about women finding their voices. I wish she was as keen not to silence the many women who’ve left her employ feeling gagged, bullied and belittled.

I loathe hypocrisy and Meghan has a PhD in it.

@ChatHeeBeeGez6298

Yes, I agree that monarchists and republicans are all individuals with individual takes on the subject of the constitution. I’m a mild (non- camping in The Mall) constitutional monarchist because I’m old and I’ve observed things for a long time. You wouldn’t start a new system with a monarch but ours has very largely worked and served the country well. The PA issue is a serious crisis and needs investigation and action, and that’s all in the process of happening.

I don’t care about the issues which seem to motivate fierce republicans - I couldn’t care less that the RF are better off than me and I’ve never considered myself a forelock- tugging peasant or been made to feel like one; it’s only republicans who tell me that’s what I am!🤣

I consider my fiver gives me very good value in terms of spectacle (especially all the pretty horses and smart soldiers) and Ruritanian fun. I do know about the constitution (history grad) so I’m being flippant here. Yes, I do think it’s a better system than almost every other in the real world. My only wish is that republicans would compare our system to REAL WORLD examples elsewhere and not some Utopian fantasy which only exists in their minds or in the pages of a student newspaper.

@ChatHeeBeeGez6298

I don’t want to quote your post as it was very long.
However I am correct in thinking you said Harry as the son of the future monarch should have had better accommodation than the men who were sons of the current monarch?

Just to jump in here, it answering chats question, but I understand that W&K lived in Notts Cottage together, I suspect they kind of progress in their houses as they get closer to being the monarch. I saw a programme about princess Anne and her house Gatscombe Park I think, where she got this as a wedding gift from her mother which needed much renovation and was a working estate, so it could pay for itself. Zara got the estate next door at some point I think, and Peter lived on the Gatscombe estate in a cottage.
I think Harry is more akin to Zara/Peter in the house stakes for the royal children / grand children to HMQE2 so don’t understand why he’s / Meghan were so snotty about the houses and apartments offered to them - Charles and Di had space in KP, and their kids were brought up there so not sure again why KP wasn’t good enough either 🤷‍♀️

Threads line this CONSTANTLy bring up Meghans name and invite debate about her. That is why.

Meghan is gossip, and some people like to do that. Andrew is also gossip and he's in the news so people talk about him, too. Both are disliked. Any sane person knows Meghan is not anywhere near as bad as Andrew.

But equally, how far are we taking it? Of all the horrible things in the world, why are we focusing on Andrew? There are people in this world worse than him that we could dedicate this thread to. Outrage is never 100% proportionate is it?

bottom line - if you want to protect Meghan don’t bring her name up more and invite comment.

William and Catherine were living at Nottingham Cottage when they had their first child iirc. Harry was treated no worse in accommodation terms than William was at the equivalent stage in his life. And yes they could have had - and turned down - the apartment next door to the Waleses at KP.

Hilarious that so called republicans, always complaining about royal privilege, complain that Harry didn’t have enough privilege! Prime real estate, free of charge in Central London, is just not good enough for their favourite royal!

@00Platinum
Exactly.

There has been some goading here - from a few people who imagine that those who dislike M&H somehow like Prince Andrew. I’m more than happy to see Andrew and Sarah Ferguson investigated and if found guilty, severely punished. Where I differ probably from these pps is that I think KC and especially PW are on the case but these things never move fast and due process has to be followed.

I have only mentioned M&H where a pp has posed a (goady) question. Otherwise I think it’s fair to say that they are largely fading away now and their relevance to the monarchy and the UK is minimal. They are celebrities and should be seen as such. I don’t think M in particular gives a damn any more about these things and the feeling, except among her fans, is probably mutual! H might sit brooding over what he’s lost but he’s made his bed and he’ll have to lie on it.

The sheer proportion of invective directed at her amounts to hate imho,

Whenever I see one of these threads, I remember:

Sussex Squad.
Disaster Tourism - LA fires. I will never forget that photo op.
Archewell - Charity Watch is still waiting since 2022.
Hollywood Reporter story about bullying.
Revoke the NDA's. Let the ex- employees find THEIR voices.
The Nigeria tour where she hung out with a criminal wanted in the US for defrauding people into six figures.
The police cavalcade in NYC so she could visit the theater - police time that could have been used to protect NYC citizens.
Her really obnoxious PR people.

BTW, the newly renovated kitchen in Frogmore Cottage from the famous photo of her and Harry appears to be larger than my apartment. Rebecca English drove by the cottage during the Trump visit and mentioned that it was quite a substantial property.