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ladykale · 2025-10-22T09:21:37+00:00

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles). On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill know exactly where he was! He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out. Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation. Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities! WHY?

My2cents1975 · 30/11/2025 16:13

Apparently some posters wouldn't criticise royal archiving as part of building up slowly. Or commenting on Mindy Kaling's accent in a show...apparently that is building up slowly as well.

Who cares about the dressers and other employees who will be in trouble when the pieces at the beginning of the shoot are not there at the end? Who cares about Mindy's feelings and that of millions of immigrants who speak English with an accent?

After all, they are the little people who do not get announced in empty (borrowed) homes by house managers.

Fairgamer · 30/11/2025 16:22

Indianrollerbird · 30/11/2025 16:05

There is ZERO evidence that Catherine said anything racist about Archie. Saying that she did “multiple times” is defamatory as well as an outright lie.

It’s very clear where these posts have appeared from.

Like the defamations you said about Meghan right? Calling Meghan any outright of names for rumours. By your logic Catherine is racist, there's no way around.

Indianrollerbird · 30/11/2025 16:24

Fairgamer · 30/11/2025 16:22

Like the defamations you said about Meghan right? Calling Meghan any outright of names for rumours. By your logic Catherine is racist, there's no way around.

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 16:33

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/11/2025 16:10

I agree that she is in a really difficult position. I've been posting for a while that i think they should drop the titles because it might reduce the scrutiny and it takes away one big stick the media use to beat them (commercialising the title). Having said that though I'm increasingly of the opinion that it might be too late to even try that. They are stuck with the attention maybe it's time to ignore it and not clap back at every article? I have a lot of sympathy for Meghan because she keeps trying to fund them. Harry, not so much.

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Yes, agree. I think that’s a really fair post MrsLeonFarrelL..

And I think it’s time for Harry, when his dc start going to school, to get stuck in to something more purposeful now like doing hands on charity work locally or piloting a search and rescue plane.

I don’t understand the titles thing myself but I suspect it might be something to do with Harry protecting their children’s lineage or whatever the correct term is. After all, he has grown up in a world where all of that matters and it’s all he knows. And I suppose titles are important to aristocrats.

And he never said he wanted to abandon the RF entirely; they just couldn’t work out a deal which allowed them a bit of flexibility, which is why he left, when it turns out that Andrew had been doing HIHO all along and was protected for it!

I don’t mean that last point as a cheap shot btw; I genuinely think that was one of Harry’s bones of contention. That he saw Andrew being allowed to get away with such a lot and living in a £30 million pound mansion to boot, and he couldn’t understand why he wasn’t allowed more flexibility but more above board?

Fwiw, if I was Harry’s PR strategist, I would be using that last point to gain leverage for his position with BP while the Andrew debacle is still hot news. But making that point privately, behind the scenes, not in front of the world’s media.

bluegreygreen · 30/11/2025 16:36

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/11/2025 15:49

Harry is on record as saying that he didn't accuse the Royal family of racism. If he didn't I'm not sure why this myth is still being spread.

I think that had Meghan exercised some patience, taken time to get her bearings instead of "hitting the ground running" and listened to the advisors she was given, then she could have been quite successful in the firm. She may have even brought some changed in long term when Charles ascended. However one thing we have learnt since they found freedom is that neither Meghan or Harry thinks things through or talked the time to build slowly. What a wasted opportunity, both the cookbook and Smart Works showed that Meghan could achieve much if she worked with her advisors rather than against them.

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Agree with this.

They had great opportunities, were trusted with the Commonwealth role, and could have developed their own niche within the family in a more relaxed monarchy under Charles. They just needed to be able to take advice, and accept that they would never have the principal roles.

The inability to take advice has clearly continued - from Harry saying that his lawyers hadn't told him he could lose the case(!), to the multiple changes of PR advisors. It is sad, as they were in a position of great privilege and potential.

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/11/2025 16:47

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 16:33

Yes, agree. I think that’s a really fair post MrsLeonFarrelL..

And I think it’s time for Harry, when his dc start going to school, to get stuck in to something more purposeful now like doing hands on charity work locally or piloting a search and rescue plane.

I don’t understand the titles thing myself but I suspect it might be something to do with Harry protecting their children’s lineage or whatever the correct term is. After all, he has grown up in a world where all of that matters and it’s all he knows. And I suppose titles are important to aristocrats.

And he never said he wanted to abandon the RF entirely; they just couldn’t work out a deal which allowed them a bit of flexibility, which is why he left, when it turns out that Andrew had been doing HIHO all along and was protected for it!

I don’t mean that last point as a cheap shot btw; I genuinely think that was one of Harry’s bones of contention. That he saw Andrew being allowed to get away with such a lot and living in a £30 million pound mansion to boot, and he couldn’t understand why he wasn’t allowed more flexibility but more above board?

Fwiw, if I was Harry’s PR strategist, I would be using that last point to gain leverage for his position with BP while the Andrew debacle is still hot news. But making that point privately, behind the scenes, not in front of the world’s media.

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I agree that if Harry has any hope of reconciling in any way with his family it has to happen behind closed doors. It's the only way to begin building trust. And yes he absolutely needs to start pulling his weight instead of believing his very existence is worthy of being funded.

I think half in half was rejected because of the mess Edward and Sophie made of it. Andrew for some reason seems to have been a ridiculous amount of leeway and Ihope one day he has to answer for his dodgy dealings (and I hope the politicians and civil servants who enabled him face consequences as well.)

prelovedusername · 30/11/2025 17:09

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/11/2025 16:10

I agree that she is in a really difficult position. I've been posting for a while that i think they should drop the titles because it might reduce the scrutiny and it takes away one big stick the media use to beat them (commercialising the title). Having said that though I'm increasingly of the opinion that it might be too late to even try that. They are stuck with the attention maybe it's time to ignore it and not clap back at every article? I have a lot of sympathy for Meghan because she keeps trying to fund them. Harry, not so much.

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I think you could be right.

The titles are millstones at this point. She achieved fame by marrying Harry but she’s legitimately famous as “Meghan” and that’s what her brand needs to be. WLM wasn’t a bad place to start. (I’m not sure why she needed to add As Ever).

She would do so much better to build a brand which is as far from royal as she can get it.

ozarina · 30/11/2025 17:35

Fairgamer · 30/11/2025 16:22

Like the defamations you said about Meghan right? Calling Meghan any outright of names for rumours. By your logic Catherine is racist, there's no way around.

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ozarina · 30/11/2025 17:36

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 16:05

To be fair, the tabloids, other journalists and commentators , content creators, and some posters on sm threads like this one, aren’t really giving her the chance to build things slowly.

Every single step she takes is commented on negatively. It’s a lucrative mini-industry to trash her every move! Or as others have said here; they find it “amusing” to follow her activities and deride her.

Loads of entrepreneurs have failures at the beginning. But they tend to be ultimately more successful because they got stuck in, rather than waiting until everything is perfect. They learn through doing. The difference is that they are not contending with a global hate campaign at the same time.

Objectively speaking, I have no idea if her business model is crap not, and I don’t really care, but I defend her right to go about her activities without continual on-line harassment.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that under the confident facade she might be struggling and changing strategies all of the time because of the never-ending on-line onslaught against her? It would take a very strong person to be able to ignore the sheer volume of it entirely.

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And not have their head in the toilet? Did you miss that bit?

BemusedAmerican · 30/11/2025 17:59

In The Cut interview, Meghan admitted that their house was out of their budget but they bought it anyway. The house is a money pit. They have a huge mortgage, high taxes, expensive upkeep. They both decided on that purchase.

I've said repeatedly that Meghan should have gotten a business degree online from a reputable school. It would have made a big difference in her businesses.

Both of them have pissed away more money than I'll see in lifetime due to poor choices. Harry' losing a bundle in lawsuits. She keeps starting businesses. Netflix was a flop. Spotify was a flop. No RF involved with these decisions.

losingstill · 30/11/2025 18:14

BemusedAmerican · 30/11/2025 17:59

In The Cut interview, Meghan admitted that their house was out of their budget but they bought it anyway. The house is a money pit. They have a huge mortgage, high taxes, expensive upkeep. They both decided on that purchase.

I've said repeatedly that Meghan should have gotten a business degree online from a reputable school. It would have made a big difference in her businesses.

Both of them have pissed away more money than I'll see in lifetime due to poor choices. Harry' losing a bundle in lawsuits. She keeps starting businesses. Netflix was a flop. Spotify was a flop. No RF involved with these decisions.

Are you their PA who is privy to their outgoings including how much mortgage they have? Would’ve thought you would be too busy sorting out their finances rather than being on MN.

prelovedusername · 30/11/2025 18:31

losingstill · 30/11/2025 18:14

Are you their PA who is privy to their outgoings including how much mortgage they have? Would’ve thought you would be too busy sorting out their finances rather than being on MN.

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I think you may be unnecessarily affronted on their behalf, @losingstill. This is information they have freely and openly given. Meghan said it was out of their budget so it seems likely there was some borrowing involved. Harry complained about problems with his pipes (not a euphemism) so there are clearly maintenance issues and with that, costs. It’s not that complicated. Or indeed that interesting.

losingstill · 30/11/2025 18:34

@prelovedusernamethanks for clarifying. I don’t keep up with everything the pair of them say from one day to the next so wouldn’t have been aware of this.

prelovedusername · 30/11/2025 18:53

losingstill · 30/11/2025 18:34

@prelovedusernamethanks for clarifying. I don’t keep up with everything the pair of them say from one day to the next so wouldn’t have been aware of this.

No worries. Glad to help.

Watcherfour · 30/11/2025 19:01

I think it's more of an orchestrated campaign, most IRL normal people don't hate Meghan and don't love the royals that way. Why though? Racism and sexism mostly and some kind of agenda IMO

chunkyBoo · 30/11/2025 19:03

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 15:14

My point is that she wasn’t trying to steer the entire RF was she?

I think she was vocal in the things that involved her and how she carried those specific duties out. And I get the impression that bc she was assertive and knew her own mind it didn’t go down so well.

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She was pushing herself forwards I front of the queen/more senior royals, and she wasn’t ‘happy’ with her placement … she’s a bad egg

chunkyBoo · 30/11/2025 19:18

Fairgamer · 30/11/2025 15:55

Well, Catherine was the one asking the children skin colour, while Harry learned and grew out of it, so she is worse and hiding under an infantilizing press like a coward. Anyway this topic is about Andrew and Meghan right? Interesting that your bunch don't have same energy for Andrew, you are just angry that Meghan called out racism as if standing against institutionalised racism was a a crime and worse than pedophillia or trafficking.

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… and you know Kate asked about skin colour because chronic liars said so … right 🙄

chunkyBoo · 30/11/2025 19:32

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 16:05

To be fair, the tabloids, other journalists and commentators , content creators, and some posters on sm threads like this one, aren’t really giving her the chance to build things slowly.

Every single step she takes is commented on negatively. It’s a lucrative mini-industry to trash her every move! Or as others have said here; they find it “amusing” to follow her activities and deride her.

Loads of entrepreneurs have failures at the beginning. But they tend to be ultimately more successful because they got stuck in, rather than waiting until everything is perfect. They learn through doing. The difference is that they are not contending with a global hate campaign at the same time.

Objectively speaking, I have no idea if her business model is crap not, and I don’t really care, but I defend her right to go about her activities without continual on-line harassment.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that under the confident facade she might be struggling and changing strategies all of the time because of the never-ending on-line onslaught against her? It would take a very strong person to be able to ignore the sheer volume of it entirely.

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Re the final paragraph, no, I think she’s just constantly stepping and trampling all over other people’s hard work to ‘elevate herself’ so she uses people, recreated people, for her own ‘shine’ … it’s incorrigible vanity and self adoration

chunkyBoo · 30/11/2025 19:36

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 16:33

Yes, agree. I think that’s a really fair post MrsLeonFarrelL..

And I think it’s time for Harry, when his dc start going to school, to get stuck in to something more purposeful now like doing hands on charity work locally or piloting a search and rescue plane.

I don’t understand the titles thing myself but I suspect it might be something to do with Harry protecting their children’s lineage or whatever the correct term is. After all, he has grown up in a world where all of that matters and it’s all he knows. And I suppose titles are important to aristocrats.

And he never said he wanted to abandon the RF entirely; they just couldn’t work out a deal which allowed them a bit of flexibility, which is why he left, when it turns out that Andrew had been doing HIHO all along and was protected for it!

I don’t mean that last point as a cheap shot btw; I genuinely think that was one of Harry’s bones of contention. That he saw Andrew being allowed to get away with such a lot and living in a £30 million pound mansion to boot, and he couldn’t understand why he wasn’t allowed more flexibility but more above board?

Fwiw, if I was Harry’s PR strategist, I would be using that last point to gain leverage for his position with BP while the Andrew debacle is still hot news. But making that point privately, behind the scenes, not in front of the world’s media.

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Seriously … your last paragraph … if Harry says uncle Andrew got away with it, why can’t Megain and I 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 … ffs 🙄

chunkyBoo · 30/11/2025 19:39

BemusedAmerican · 30/11/2025 17:59

In The Cut interview, Meghan admitted that their house was out of their budget but they bought it anyway. The house is a money pit. They have a huge mortgage, high taxes, expensive upkeep. They both decided on that purchase.

I've said repeatedly that Meghan should have gotten a business degree online from a reputable school. It would have made a big difference in her businesses.

Both of them have pissed away more money than I'll see in lifetime due to poor choices. Harry' losing a bundle in lawsuits. She keeps starting businesses. Netflix was a flop. Spotify was a flop. No RF involved with these decisions.

Megain has the attention span of a gnat so doing a business degree, three years of actual hard work, learning, achieving … that’s not in her capacity of capability

BeeWitchy · 30/11/2025 23:46

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 30/11/2025 15:14

My point is that she wasn’t trying to steer the entire RF was she?

I think she was vocal in the things that involved her and how she carried those specific duties out. And I get the impression that bc she was assertive and knew her own mind it didn’t go down so well.

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I agree.

Despite having a woman at its head for 70 years the royal family was and has remained patriarchal. A married in wife who wants to change things that concern only herself is going to be seem as an attack on the whole system.

chunkyBoo · 01/12/2025 01:20

BeeWitchy · 30/11/2025 23:46

I agree.

Despite having a woman at its head for 70 years the royal family was and has remained patriarchal. A married in wife who wants to change things that concern only herself is going to be seem as an attack on the whole system.

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As I’ve clearly explained, what she did didn’t just concern herself unless you can explain what you mean

BeeWitchy · 01/12/2025 01:29

chunkyBoo · 01/12/2025 01:20

As I’ve clearly explained, what she did didn’t just concern herself unless you can explain what you mean

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I didn't like her because cause she came sashaying in more or less saying 'I'm going to change this Royal Family and the way they do things. I'll make it more modern -look at ME everybody, look at ME!!'

😂😂Was it her ‘sashaying in’ or her ‘look at ME’ (repeated) that bothered you most? I suspect you’ve read too many gossip columns to have a balanced view on any of this.

chunkyBoo · 01/12/2025 05:06

@BeeWitchy ?? What are you on about with that quote? I don’t recall writing that ?!

smilesy · 01/12/2025 07:18

BeeWitchy · 30/11/2025 23:46

I agree.

Despite having a woman at its head for 70 years the royal family was and has remained patriarchal. A married in wife who wants to change things that concern only herself is going to be seem as an attack on the whole system.

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I don’t think that this just applies to a “married in wife” though, or even just to the Royal Family. In any business, anyone who barrels in and publicly declares that they are going to change things (without being asked to do so) is hardly going to met with enthusiasm. It’s not really the way to win friends and influence people, whoever you are