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ladykale · 2025-10-22T09:21:37+00:00

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles). On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill know exactly where he was! He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out. Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation. Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities! WHY?

ozarina · 26/11/2025 23:02

IAmATorturedPoet · 26/11/2025 21:16

People are free to join any discussion on any subject and at any time of their choosing, this includes posting on what you call 'facile' threads. The expectation that posters should be on certain threads and not on others and judged accordingly is not how it works.

No one is stopping you from starting as many Andrew threads as you like but don't start telling others what threads, in your opinion, are worthy of discussion and what ones aren't.

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Well said.

BeeWitchy · 26/11/2025 23:23

FrippEnos · 26/11/2025 22:41

As has been posted several times.

Its difficult to keep a thread going for any length of time when everybody agrees.

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There new things to be read, and new opinions written, in the media about Andrew almost daily. - that could be discussed in detail.

There’s a bunch of regular posters on Mumsnet RF board who are in agreement about Meghan Markle and constantly criticise her, and who become very defensive when their opinions are challenged. They have made it clear that people that have a different opinion about Meghan should just go away. And regularly ask why are posters here if they don’t like how Meghan is being discussed?

I’ve see threads about Markle run to the full 40 pages, full of agreement between certain posters that post repeatedly about what what Meghan has done recently, what she’s done in the past and predicting what she’ll do in the future. And when other people challenge those posts they are asked ‘ why are you here?’

BoxingHares22 · 26/11/2025 23:32

xanthomelana · 22/10/2025 17:07

Because he keeps out of the public eye so it’s easier to forget about him unlike Meghan who is always promoting her next venture.

This. Also it’s not hate, it’s criticism and dislike.

Changemynamechangemynameback · 27/11/2025 00:00

BeeWitchy · 26/11/2025 23:23

There new things to be read, and new opinions written, in the media about Andrew almost daily. - that could be discussed in detail.

There’s a bunch of regular posters on Mumsnet RF board who are in agreement about Meghan Markle and constantly criticise her, and who become very defensive when their opinions are challenged. They have made it clear that people that have a different opinion about Meghan should just go away. And regularly ask why are posters here if they don’t like how Meghan is being discussed?

I’ve see threads about Markle run to the full 40 pages, full of agreement between certain posters that post repeatedly about what what Meghan has done recently, what she’s done in the past and predicting what she’ll do in the future. And when other people challenge those posts they are asked ‘ why are you here?’

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I do agree with this. I think lots of posters who either liked Meghan and Harry or held a more neutral view of them have been chased off of this board. I never posted very much on here but when I have, I have often got patronised and ganged up on, just because I wasn’t in the ‘everything Meghan does is terrible’ camp.

This behaviour of many of the posters here has been discussed away from this board with many people feeling the same and those people just don’t bother posting anymore. That means that the board becomes more of an echo chamber, and that yes, threads do fill up with mostly agreement that Meghan is terrible, jokes about jam and sarcastic comments and mocking with posters trying to outdo each other on how ‘funny’ they can be.

What I find interesting is that posters say apparently ‘everyone hates Andrew’, so that is why there isn’t as much vitriol or as many threads, but I’ve seen posters defend Andrew and minimise what he has done. And those posters who are on here a lot who are very pro royal and anti Meghan, who apparently hate Andrew don’t call them out for it. So they might not be defending Andrew, but they just let it go. If ‘everyone hates him’, why don’t they call these posters out? I think it’s because they want any discussion on Andrew to go away, because it shows other Royals in a bad light for not acting sooner and for some of their behaviour, like his mothers, the late Queen, paying off the girl he raped. They don’t want that mentioned. Yet Meghan is terrrible!

Another reason I think they don’t call out the posters minimising what Andrew has done is because the ones minimising are the same posters who they rely on on other threads to join in and back them up with their dislike of Meghan. They call everyone else Sussex squad but fail to see they have their own club here that use insults, sarcasm, aggressiveness and bullying to shut anyone with a differing view down. I criticised Prince Philip’s racism once and suddenly had at least 30 posters, posting multiple times telling me I was wrong, minimising the racism and then asking why I hadn’t responded. I had responded twice, it I can’t respond to 30 separate posters writing a few posts each. The they all chatted amongst each other to mock me. It’s a tactic they use often so I don’t bother anymore. I wonder if they can see what others can see about them.

I have name changed for this because last time I wrote on here, every time I posted anything, even something innocuous as what I had for dinner, I was followed around the boards being picked apart. I complained to mumsnet and it did stop but I can tell who that person was by their language and writing style and they are on this thread. I will be name changing again after this post because I won’t be putting up with that again.

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 27/11/2025 00:27

Changemynamechangemynameback · 27/11/2025 00:00

I do agree with this. I think lots of posters who either liked Meghan and Harry or held a more neutral view of them have been chased off of this board. I never posted very much on here but when I have, I have often got patronised and ganged up on, just because I wasn’t in the ‘everything Meghan does is terrible’ camp.

This behaviour of many of the posters here has been discussed away from this board with many people feeling the same and those people just don’t bother posting anymore. That means that the board becomes more of an echo chamber, and that yes, threads do fill up with mostly agreement that Meghan is terrible, jokes about jam and sarcastic comments and mocking with posters trying to outdo each other on how ‘funny’ they can be.

What I find interesting is that posters say apparently ‘everyone hates Andrew’, so that is why there isn’t as much vitriol or as many threads, but I’ve seen posters defend Andrew and minimise what he has done. And those posters who are on here a lot who are very pro royal and anti Meghan, who apparently hate Andrew don’t call them out for it. So they might not be defending Andrew, but they just let it go. If ‘everyone hates him’, why don’t they call these posters out? I think it’s because they want any discussion on Andrew to go away, because it shows other Royals in a bad light for not acting sooner and for some of their behaviour, like his mothers, the late Queen, paying off the girl he raped. They don’t want that mentioned. Yet Meghan is terrrible!

Another reason I think they don’t call out the posters minimising what Andrew has done is because the ones minimising are the same posters who they rely on on other threads to join in and back them up with their dislike of Meghan. They call everyone else Sussex squad but fail to see they have their own club here that use insults, sarcasm, aggressiveness and bullying to shut anyone with a differing view down. I criticised Prince Philip’s racism once and suddenly had at least 30 posters, posting multiple times telling me I was wrong, minimising the racism and then asking why I hadn’t responded. I had responded twice, it I can’t respond to 30 separate posters writing a few posts each. The they all chatted amongst each other to mock me. It’s a tactic they use often so I don’t bother anymore. I wonder if they can see what others can see about them.

I have name changed for this because last time I wrote on here, every time I posted anything, even something innocuous as what I had for dinner, I was followed around the boards being picked apart. I complained to mumsnet and it did stop but I can tell who that person was by their language and writing style and they are on this thread. I will be name changing again after this post because I won’t be putting up with that again.

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This is extremely well articulated and I have experienced exactly the same. Posting to validate what Changemynamechangemynameback
and BeeWitchy have said.

Baital · 27/11/2025 00:31

ChatHeeBeeGez6298 · 26/11/2025 21:49

I agree that people are free to join any thread they like.

But I disagree that the subject matter of the majority of the Meghan threads are of equal importance to the UK as discussing the activities of Andrew when he was a member of the RF and being financed by the British tax payer.

Sorry but discussion about Megham’s jams or renewed film career are simply not as significant!

Nothing she has done to allegedly damage the UK is as significant as what Andrew has done. And what some members of the RF have done to cover it up.

But it seems to be the prevailing view that if you criticise the RF openly, you are more worthy of negative criticism than someone who commits fraud and has sex with trafficked minors because … at least they kept it hidden .. how decent of him!

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Of course Meghan's jams etc are of little significance in the grand scheme of things. That's why it is entertaining (especially when contrasted with bombastic statements!).

And that is why it is entertaining to discuss.

AllThisTime · 27/11/2025 01:30

Changemynamechangemynameback · 27/11/2025 00:00

I do agree with this. I think lots of posters who either liked Meghan and Harry or held a more neutral view of them have been chased off of this board. I never posted very much on here but when I have, I have often got patronised and ganged up on, just because I wasn’t in the ‘everything Meghan does is terrible’ camp.

This behaviour of many of the posters here has been discussed away from this board with many people feeling the same and those people just don’t bother posting anymore. That means that the board becomes more of an echo chamber, and that yes, threads do fill up with mostly agreement that Meghan is terrible, jokes about jam and sarcastic comments and mocking with posters trying to outdo each other on how ‘funny’ they can be.

What I find interesting is that posters say apparently ‘everyone hates Andrew’, so that is why there isn’t as much vitriol or as many threads, but I’ve seen posters defend Andrew and minimise what he has done. And those posters who are on here a lot who are very pro royal and anti Meghan, who apparently hate Andrew don’t call them out for it. So they might not be defending Andrew, but they just let it go. If ‘everyone hates him’, why don’t they call these posters out? I think it’s because they want any discussion on Andrew to go away, because it shows other Royals in a bad light for not acting sooner and for some of their behaviour, like his mothers, the late Queen, paying off the girl he raped. They don’t want that mentioned. Yet Meghan is terrrible!

Another reason I think they don’t call out the posters minimising what Andrew has done is because the ones minimising are the same posters who they rely on on other threads to join in and back them up with their dislike of Meghan. They call everyone else Sussex squad but fail to see they have their own club here that use insults, sarcasm, aggressiveness and bullying to shut anyone with a differing view down. I criticised Prince Philip’s racism once and suddenly had at least 30 posters, posting multiple times telling me I was wrong, minimising the racism and then asking why I hadn’t responded. I had responded twice, it I can’t respond to 30 separate posters writing a few posts each. The they all chatted amongst each other to mock me. It’s a tactic they use often so I don’t bother anymore. I wonder if they can see what others can see about them.

I have name changed for this because last time I wrote on here, every time I posted anything, even something innocuous as what I had for dinner, I was followed around the boards being picked apart. I complained to mumsnet and it did stop but I can tell who that person was by their language and writing style and they are on this thread. I will be name changing again after this post because I won’t be putting up with that again.

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I agree with this.

I’ve seen that happen, have had some of it happen to me and have heard of it happening to other posters. I suppose their tactics work if people who put an opposing view forward or even slightly disagree end up steering clear of the board. It allows certain posters to rule the board as they do team up. I blame mumsnet really, they should moderate better imo but it’s their site and I can’t see anything changing as the posters that dislike Meghan give them a lot of posts and clicks.

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 01:46

I don't agree. I have seen posters on other threads arguing against Andrew defenders. I've made anti-Andrew posts myself. However, I do this on an Andrew thread. I don't try to turn a non- Andrew thread into an Andrew thread.

AllThisTime · 27/11/2025 03:43

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 01:46

I don't agree. I have seen posters on other threads arguing against Andrew defenders. I've made anti-Andrew posts myself. However, I do this on an Andrew thread. I don't try to turn a non- Andrew thread into an Andrew thread.

You are free to disagree but I have been appalled by the fact that very few posters call out the Andrew minimisers and justifiers, especially the very regular posters here. If they hate him so much, how can they be active on a thread where someone is making excuses for him and not say something? I agree with the pp that it’s because they don’t want it mentioned or they have formed a sort of group with the other posters and therefore never say even when one of them is out of line.

I agree that bringing Andrew into other threads where he isn’t relevant is annoying but then posters bring Meghan and Harry into threads which aren’t about them as well so it seems to be a common theme here. Even if someone I’d minimising his behaviour on a non Andrew thread, it should still be shut down.

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 04:33

And it has. There are very few Andrew defenders and people have shut them down.

However, as an American, I agree with the people who point out that much attention is focused on Andrew and Ghislsine Maxwell and less on Americans.

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 04:35

I've bought and read Entitled. I've posted it, as have others. They were appalled by the book, as was I.

AllThisTime · 27/11/2025 04:51

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 04:33

And it has. There are very few Andrew defenders and people have shut them down.

However, as an American, I agree with the people who point out that much attention is focused on Andrew and Ghislsine Maxwell and less on Americans.

No. I’ve seen regular posters here being active on threads where Andrew’s actions were minimised by posters and they said nothing to them. Personally, if was posting a lot in a thread or used this board more often, I wouldn’t let it go. I don’t when I see it but I’m not here that much.

Mumsnet has mainly UK users so we are obviously concerned with our own rubbish. I have family and lots of friends in the US who assure me that their media is more interested in their own than Andrew and Maxwell.

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 04:56

I've heard a lot of interesting theories about Maxwell. The general view among people I know is that nothing will happen to the Americans. Too rich.

AllThisTime · 27/11/2025 05:15

BemusedAmerican · 27/11/2025 04:56

I've heard a lot of interesting theories about Maxwell. The general view among people I know is that nothing will happen to the Americans. Too rich.

To think that the only person in prison is Maxwell is shameful. Nothing has really happened to Andrew, he still lives to a much higher standard that most people, the title stripping is just to try to show that something has been done to appease us plebs. He’s still got away with what he did, whilst Virginia is dead, other victims may well be too, others will be suffering have gone through what they have. It’s sickening that these rich and powerful men will probably never be held to account, Brits, Americans and plenty of other nationalities too. Bastards.

What have you heard about Maxwell?

NewAgeNewMe · 27/11/2025 06:24

@AllThisTime ive said similar. All those vile men and only a British woman behind bars. Shameful. Those poor girls.

marcopront · 27/11/2025 07:09

BeeWitchy · 26/11/2025 19:40

The Queen mother and Margaret died within a month of each other. I’ve always thought he just mixed up who died when in his recollections. Easy enough to do in my opinion. Especially as he wrote the book 20 years after it happened. He was 18 when they died I think? None of our memories are perfect. We don’t have permanent snapshots in our minds. It’s been known for quite some time that our memories change fractionally with each remembering.

I wasn’t looking for a step by step lifeline telling of his life when reading his book. I was looking to understand who he was, how he saw things and how he felt. I came away with quite a good understanding of the person Harry. As good as is possible from a book, For example Harry was Imperfect, hot headed, traumatised, capable of cruelty when young (the housemistress for example) and yet capable of real compassion, lacking parental guidance and (after his mother died), a boy who felt unloved - all come to my mind when recalling his book.

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Did you read the post you were responding to?

I said Harry was in Switzerland.
I was told he knew better where he was than my speculation.

I am sure he confused the two deaths but I don’t think he has ever said that.
I am much more willing to listen to someone who says he made a mistake than someone who insists he knows better where he was when he heard the news.

prelovedusername · 27/11/2025 08:29

I’m surprised at people saying they have seen posters minimising what Andrew did, I haven’t come across this. Any examples?

chunkyBoo · 27/11/2025 08:36

prelovedusername · 27/11/2025 08:29

I’m surprised at people saying they have seen posters minimising what Andrew did, I haven’t come across this. Any examples?

I was criticised for saying he should be in prison because apparently it wasn’t against the law when he apparently had sex with Virginia guiffre

Baital · 27/11/2025 09:58

chunkyBoo · 27/11/2025 08:36

I was criticised for saying he should be in prison because apparently it wasn’t against the law when he apparently had sex with Virginia guiffre

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I don't want anyone to go to prison unless
a) what they did was illegal at the time
b) the evidence has been tested in court

I don't think that is minimising what Andrew has done, just applying the principles that should apply for everyone. If he committed a crime it should be investigated and he should be treated just like any other suspect.

If he didn't then no, he shouldn't be in prison. That doesn't mean he is anything other than a disgusting individual. Sadly there are all too many disgusting individuals walking around. Being disgusting, entitled, vile etc is not a criminal offence.

So, if using critical thinking skills is 'minimising' what Andrew has done, then I am sure a number of posters have 'minimised' according to your - faulty - definition. That doesn't make us monarchist (although some may be, I don't know). Just people who don't believe in mob 'justice'.

chunkyBoo · 27/11/2025 10:08

Well he should certainly be up in court in America and the UK, possibly as well as the governing country of Epstein’s island, which has better laws than both the UK and USA from memory, and let them decide

Baital · 27/11/2025 10:19

chunkyBoo · 27/11/2025 10:08

Well he should certainly be up in court in America and the UK, possibly as well as the governing country of Epstein’s island, which has better laws than both the UK and USA from memory, and let them decide

If there is sufficient evidence that he may have committed a crime then he should certainly be charged (or the equivalent under that country's legal system).

IAmATorturedPoet · 27/11/2025 10:23

I have criticised Andrew Lownie
I have criticised the US for not going after their own.
I’d like to think most people have the critical thinking skills to understand that to criticise the above doesn’t equal minimising Andrew, but I’m beginning to wonder now. .

ozarina · 27/11/2025 10:24

Changemynamechangemynameback · 27/11/2025 00:00

I do agree with this. I think lots of posters who either liked Meghan and Harry or held a more neutral view of them have been chased off of this board. I never posted very much on here but when I have, I have often got patronised and ganged up on, just because I wasn’t in the ‘everything Meghan does is terrible’ camp.

This behaviour of many of the posters here has been discussed away from this board with many people feeling the same and those people just don’t bother posting anymore. That means that the board becomes more of an echo chamber, and that yes, threads do fill up with mostly agreement that Meghan is terrible, jokes about jam and sarcastic comments and mocking with posters trying to outdo each other on how ‘funny’ they can be.

What I find interesting is that posters say apparently ‘everyone hates Andrew’, so that is why there isn’t as much vitriol or as many threads, but I’ve seen posters defend Andrew and minimise what he has done. And those posters who are on here a lot who are very pro royal and anti Meghan, who apparently hate Andrew don’t call them out for it. So they might not be defending Andrew, but they just let it go. If ‘everyone hates him’, why don’t they call these posters out? I think it’s because they want any discussion on Andrew to go away, because it shows other Royals in a bad light for not acting sooner and for some of their behaviour, like his mothers, the late Queen, paying off the girl he raped. They don’t want that mentioned. Yet Meghan is terrrible!

Another reason I think they don’t call out the posters minimising what Andrew has done is because the ones minimising are the same posters who they rely on on other threads to join in and back them up with their dislike of Meghan. They call everyone else Sussex squad but fail to see they have their own club here that use insults, sarcasm, aggressiveness and bullying to shut anyone with a differing view down. I criticised Prince Philip’s racism once and suddenly had at least 30 posters, posting multiple times telling me I was wrong, minimising the racism and then asking why I hadn’t responded. I had responded twice, it I can’t respond to 30 separate posters writing a few posts each. The they all chatted amongst each other to mock me. It’s a tactic they use often so I don’t bother anymore. I wonder if they can see what others can see about them.

I have name changed for this because last time I wrote on here, every time I posted anything, even something innocuous as what I had for dinner, I was followed around the boards being picked apart. I complained to mumsnet and it did stop but I can tell who that person was by their language and writing style and they are on this thread. I will be name changing again after this post because I won’t be putting up with that again.

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"He who can modify his tactics in relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning, may be called a heaven-born captain"
🥸

Baital · 27/11/2025 10:29

ozarina · 27/11/2025 10:24

"He who can modify his tactics in relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning, may be called a heaven-born captain"
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I do like a bit of Sun Tzu in the morning 😁

One for H&M to ponder:
He will win who knows when to.fight and when not to fight

Edited to add - maybe the source of the 'never complain, never explain ' approach? Knowing which fights can't be won, and therefore refusing to engage?!

ozarina · 27/11/2025 10:33

Changemynamechangemynameback · 27/11/2025 00:00

I do agree with this. I think lots of posters who either liked Meghan and Harry or held a more neutral view of them have been chased off of this board. I never posted very much on here but when I have, I have often got patronised and ganged up on, just because I wasn’t in the ‘everything Meghan does is terrible’ camp.

This behaviour of many of the posters here has been discussed away from this board with many people feeling the same and those people just don’t bother posting anymore. That means that the board becomes more of an echo chamber, and that yes, threads do fill up with mostly agreement that Meghan is terrible, jokes about jam and sarcastic comments and mocking with posters trying to outdo each other on how ‘funny’ they can be.

What I find interesting is that posters say apparently ‘everyone hates Andrew’, so that is why there isn’t as much vitriol or as many threads, but I’ve seen posters defend Andrew and minimise what he has done. And those posters who are on here a lot who are very pro royal and anti Meghan, who apparently hate Andrew don’t call them out for it. So they might not be defending Andrew, but they just let it go. If ‘everyone hates him’, why don’t they call these posters out? I think it’s because they want any discussion on Andrew to go away, because it shows other Royals in a bad light for not acting sooner and for some of their behaviour, like his mothers, the late Queen, paying off the girl he raped. They don’t want that mentioned. Yet Meghan is terrrible!

Another reason I think they don’t call out the posters minimising what Andrew has done is because the ones minimising are the same posters who they rely on on other threads to join in and back them up with their dislike of Meghan. They call everyone else Sussex squad but fail to see they have their own club here that use insults, sarcasm, aggressiveness and bullying to shut anyone with a differing view down. I criticised Prince Philip’s racism once and suddenly had at least 30 posters, posting multiple times telling me I was wrong, minimising the racism and then asking why I hadn’t responded. I had responded twice, it I can’t respond to 30 separate posters writing a few posts each. The they all chatted amongst each other to mock me. It’s a tactic they use often so I don’t bother anymore. I wonder if they can see what others can see about them.

I have name changed for this because last time I wrote on here, every time I posted anything, even something innocuous as what I had for dinner, I was followed around the boards being picked apart. I complained to mumsnet and it did stop but I can tell who that person was by their language and writing style and they are on this thread. I will be name changing again after this post because I won’t be putting up with that again.

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You know I can't help but think you are maybe over invested in this if you have dropped to the level of discussing posters on an anonymous forum with other anonymous posters 😳. That can't be healthy. If it were myself I would be questioning if this was the right place to be and would perhaps take up some mindfulness.