Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

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I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

I think for some people, if you don't join the lynch mob then you are minimising Andrew's behaviour, and must be a monarchist...

It's very odd- it's almost like they need to have others telling them " yup you're on the right track". Personally I find any form of thought policing makes me dig my heels in. It's like 1984 in here at times - you're found guilty of thoughtcrimes.

Epstein’s island is in the US Virgin Islands. It is subject to US laws. What “better laws” were you thinking of?

Some examples of posters justifying and minimising Andrew off the top of my head:

More than one poster has said that they don’t see it was so bad as 40 year old men have sex with younger women all the time.

Another poster said Andrew was no worse than a celebrity who married someone 20 years his junior and others agreed and derailed to talk about that instead.

There were numerous references to girls/party girls who are willing to use sex to get ahead and that Virginia was hardly a child at 17 and knew what she was doing so Andrew was fine to do what he did.

Excuses were made as to why Andrew was actually innocent of it all but didn’t speak out, because he just didn’t want to get involved.

Multiple posters saying that Virginia was over 16 so there is no issue.

Posters saying Virginia was a liar and describing Andrew as an easy person for Virginia to lie about because he was Royal. The tone was very ‘poor Andrew’.

I’m sure I could think of more or find examples if looked rather than just relying on my memory. If I go back and look at posts and quote them, I’ll get told I’m stalking posters as others have been told before though.

They have their own laws, not US laws

@AllThisTime seeing as there a lot of accusations of regular posters of being Andrew apologisers I think you should actually name the regular posters with their “apologist” posts and the context in which they made their reply.

No, they are mostly subject to US federal laws. They do have some local differences, which one of these do you think is “better”? And does it apply to the circumstances you are referencing?

You’ve misunderstood. I said that regular posters were active on threads where these things were said yet didn’t say anything. There was no reply from them, that’s my point. I agreed with a pp as to the reasons for that, those being that they don’t want more attention drawn to it but that they know these posters are anti Meghan, as they’re usually saying negative things about Meghan too and so don’t want to not have those posters not on their side in other threads because they make sort of unofficial groups to shut others down.

Basically suppositions about why Maxwell is having an extremely cushy prison experience.

It really is Orwellian in here sometimes.

Being told what we should and shouldn’t be posting about and making spurious assumptions if we aren’t seen on the ‘right threads’.

No thank you very much, that’s definitely not for me.

I think those suppositions have made their way to this side of the pond as well. It’s stretching credulity a long way to think it has nothing to do with her not opening her mouth

Glad we have cleared up that regular posters are not in fact Andrew apologisers, despite the clear inference on this thread. I have no idea who did or didn’t respond to the various posts on the Andrew threads, I think if you are keeping score on what the many many regular posters on here are posting or not posting then you have become too emotionally invested.

There was only anything to clear up if you read my post incorrectly. I never once said it was the regular posters. I was very clear. Here is a quote from my post

‘I’ve seen regular posters here being active on threads where Andrew’s actions were minimised by posters and they said nothing to them. Personally, if was posting a lot in a thread or used this board more often, I wouldn’t let it go.’

I was very clear that the issue I had with the regulars was them not calling out posters who did minimise Andrew’s actions.

Not to mention, they are often wrong with their 'predictions' but oh well they know Meghan so well. And they start attacking people who disagree, but for the seriously criminal things that came from that royal family they play dumb and keep questioning "what the royal family did?" Ignoring what other posters lay. And then, double down with Meghan fake news and smear campaign, attack people in forums again, rinse and repeat. It seems even, that they are part of the organized smear campaign 🤔

To add, it’s nothing but deflection to say I’m too emotionally invested just because I read threads and noticed how few posters called out the minimising and justifying of Andrew, and that those that did call it out were not the regular posters despite them being on the threads. I do think we should all call it out when we see it.

As for Maxwell, they used her for scapegoat. Virginia had so many names to tell, Andrew is just the tip of iceberg. She wasn't invited to the case as they said would muddle it. I think the are protecting other people, not only Andrew but even bigger fish than him, real politicians, billionaires and other insiders of the royal family not named etc.

You are absolutely saying regular posters are Andrew apologisers by not responding to posts how you would like, dress it up anyway but that is exactly what you are saying.

You are free to disagree but I have been appalled by the fact that very few posters call out the Andrew minimisers and justifiers, especially the very regular posters here. If they hate him so much

As I said if you are keeping records and scores on what regular posters do or don’t post then you really are far too invested in these threads.

Who are these posters? Do tell.

I hope Meghan doesn’t see this thread . Her name is now Sussex as she so curtly told someone !

Then you’re basically asking for this poster to go after people and dig up everyone who ever defended Andrew? I’ve seen plenty of folks minimize what he did too. It was pretty common in this section, honestly. I don’t remember the usernames as I was mostly a lurker but it was distressing seeing such inhumane things. But if it’s that crucial to you, someone can just make a new topic so we can lay out every single comment that defended, excused, or downplayed the actions of a sexual predator, but you can't ask a single person to track every poster, it takes a lot of time. Is that really what you’re asking for?

Not calling them out doesn’t mean they are apologists. Read my posts again and you will see that I clearly gave my reasons for why I think they don’t call them out, which didn’t include them being apologists themselves.

@Fairgamer Not sure why you are responding to me as we have agreed not to, I have no interest in your posts.

If went and found the comments and quoted them exactly, with the persons name who said it, which regulars were on the thread and who did and didn’t call the apologist out, I’d get told I was stalking. To be fair, it would be too much, but I was happy to write the comments I remembered as someone asked for examples and I had them. I know mumsnet don’t always look favourably on people copying and pasting across threads and as I’ve been a mumsnet member for 15 ish years, I don’t really want to lose my account, especially due to Andrew. 🤮

The poster was wrong anyway, I never said the regular posters I referred to were the ones being Andrew apologists, just that they didn’t call them out.

Reasons you have made up in your head does not make them true. Seriously if you are giving that much headspace as to thinking that posters not responding as you see fit means they are forming unofficial support groups that really is drifting tin foil hat territory.