Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

[ladykale]

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

I doubt it , they seem surprised that some of us read all the threads on the royal family topic , even if they are not about Harry or Meghan!

In that case, I hope that you and other Monarchists accept that the late QE2, Charles and Camilla, and Catherine and William, are not beyond criticism either jeffgoldblum?

Some examples…

… on the Andrew threads ATM, whenever a Republican asks “how much did the late Queen and Prince Charles know?” the only answer that crops up is that QE2 had a “soft spot” for her second son! Otherwise, it’s been tumbleweed… and still is… on that topic.

There’s no serious acknowledgment or explanation from any monarchist about our head of state covering up fraud perpetrated by her son , who was funded by the British taxpayer, despite politicians and diplomats showing her plenty of evidence.

… what about William deciding not to continue voluntarily publishing the annual disclosure and breakdown of his tax payments from the Duchy of Cornwall, despite KC3 having previously done this. Surely this is a retrograde step?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-william-king-charles-tax-royal-family-b2585121.html#

… and when Meghan is constantly accused of bullying, no one mentions Prince Andrew shouting at an aide for referring to the Queen Mother incorrectly, or that a nanny left because of advances made by him, or that his staff were bugged! No mention of Charles’s former right hand man Fawcett bullying staff and making their lives a misery , and Charles not having the heart to dismiss him, at that point anyway …

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/how-footman-rose-in-status-6960147.html

I’m speaking generally and obviously I apologise in advance if I have missed any reasonable and serious explanations for any of the above by monarchists and would love to stand corrected! I haven’t read every thread on the RF board.

My point is, you can’t berate others for not doing something that you and other monarchists tend not to do yourselves.

Well I’m not a monarchist for a start , just because someone isn’t a republican doesn’t mean they are automatically the opposite!
many of us just like the status quo and the history of it all .
so I cannot answer your questions 🤷‍♀️
I believe no one is above criticism where it’s due .

I would also add , I have been here years and these questions have been debated in one form or another over and over again, as you have mentioned that you are not new here I’m assuming you have already seen these discussions, so I’m not sure why you think asking the same questions again will get different answers.

How convenient…

Not really, do ask any of the long standing posters , they will tell you that I have never said I’m a monarchist or a royalist , I stay consistently in the middle.

I’m a constitutional monarchist until such time as a proper thought out alternative (ie not off with their heads). Until then I want all the bling. And if can get rid of titles for those not working royals or in direct succession then I’m all for it. So dc of monarch but not for gc of monarch. That’s a start imo.

To be completely honest, I’m neither for or against the bling! , I like history, I like consistency, I’ve never watched a royal wedding, the jubilee, the coronation, trooping the colour , I could go on..

You just claim to know everything about monarchy (and believe in every fake rumours and negative thing about Harry and Meghan, but doesn't show same disposition for other members of the family, the criminals and enablers). But oh well you aren't a monarchist hahaha 🤣

They aren’t being seriously debated by anyone except republicans are they though?

It’s all swept under the carpet.

All of the Fawcett stuff and the fact he has resigned three times, taking the fall for KC3.

That included some really serious incidents, involving rape of a member of staff. Monarchists and those with an alleged neutral stance just seem to be able to avert their eyes and close their ears when it suits them! And somehow reconcile with themselves that Meghan is the one who bullies! I find it utterly baffling!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/09/monarchy.jamiewilson

You can hardly claim neutrality Jeffgoldblum if you dig all the time at Meghan while ignoring accusations of bullying and worse in the royal household?

Ditto re :Andrew and how much the late Queen knew! Beyond “ah poor old lady, had a soft spot for him” I would love you to point me to a thread where anyone other than republicans express serious concern about our head of state covering up potential fraud and illegality?

Apart from the fact that I have never claimed to know everything about the monarchy, your post is full of inaccurate information and lies !

And yet only criticise Meghan for bullying while overlooking all incidences of bullying in the royal household? I see.

If someone is interested in e.g. the history of the Third Reich, and knows a lot about it, that means they must be a Nazi according to your logic.

I have never claimed neutrality! , I said I’m not a monarchist or a republican and that I prefer the status quo , that’s entirely different! , obviously I have opinions and preferences towards things !
I believe that all activities should be investigated and those responsible should be held to account, however if they are just rumours how can that be achieved.
and I firmly believe that it’s time to strip it back to the senior working royals only , all others need to be stripped of titles and privileges and earn their own money.

My point is that you and others happily and repeatedly blame Meghan for bullying staff, accusations that are based on unproven allegations, but ignore all of the other allegations of bullying that have been widely reported within the wider royal household.

I agree that that isn’t remotely neutral!

It’s one example of how you and others, are unfairly biased against her, which is the point of this thread.

Now I see!! , you and your fellow posters are deliberately targeting me aren’t you? 🤣
its Obvious now , because a cursory search through my posts ( there are many because I’ve never name changed in many years) would show that I have made comments about other royals and never said anything positive about Andrew , if anything it’s Harry rather than Meghan I’m the most critical of.
but I recognise the tactic now as it’s been used many times by Meghan fans over the years!

Unproven are you sure? Because it’s not looking unproven now multiple reports are coming from American sources and media !
and as for other royals bullying, where are the multiple sources for these ?

I think it can definitely seem that way. I think what is actually happening is that some people really like MM and defend her which then becomes a back and forth argument. It creates the impression she’s more hated or people have more things to say about her.

With Andrew, people say how awful he is and no one disagrees so there ends the conversation.

I’m not deliberately targeting you Jeffgoldblum.

I was addressing your specific point here that you posted at 08.15:

It’s very clear that a discussion will never really be possible until those who defend Meghan and Harry except that they are not beyond criticism, not beyond being held accountable for their own behaviour.
that they are not infallible

My point, as already explained at length, that that works both ways!

No you have actually proven my point of earlier about why a discussion cannot take place when even the most benign criticism of Meghan results in attacks and insults!
and yes you say you are not targeting me yet you have ignored other posters to barrage me with posts even though I have tried to answer you with as much civility as possible while I have been accused of lying.
this is not the first time it’s happened, I’m used to it !
but I must admit it gets tired when I actually rarely make any comments about Meghan because I’m too busy defending myself and others from constant attacks.

So do you now accept that Harry wasn’t sitting in his own at Eton being told by an aide that the QM had died ? He was - as photographic evidence shows- skiing in Switzerland with his father and brother .

From 2002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1903502.stm

Yea I guess both sides of their families must be complete shockers 🙄🙄🙄

Yep! I agree - I’d also add that H&M keep shoving their faces in front of cameras / faux awards/ media sources that don’t mind printing their fairytales - Andrew, keeps his head down mostly, so people are agreeable with everyone saying he’s loathsome/odious/disgraceful …I could go on ad infinitum,
once it’s said rh as TS it u til he shows his disgusting face again and it starts again. h&M just do this every day almost so they’re micro-dosing the world of their clown-ness all the time

I’m not attacking anyone for criticising H & M.

I am saying that if you criticise them for bullying, it’s rather strange to ignore any instances of the same thing within the wider royal family.

I’ve been trying very hard to stick to the theme of this thread, but as you are addressing it, jeffgoldblum, and as others have posted on this thread, whether you are aware of it or not, the tone of your posts can come across as quite condescending sometimes and you don’t hold back from challenging others, so with respect, if you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take a little bit of flak yourself.