Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

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I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

But then why cite Morgan and specially Jeremy clark, the last in particular that writes particularly gross things, instead of the many of a saner, less vile, less mysoginistic, less racist journalists out there?

I don't doubt that exists people with antisocial sociopathic personality that imagine such things about figures of the royal family or otherwise famous people, but as far I know, his direct mindset is not reflected in by general people in private, other than unhinged haters with serious mental issues.

Thank you @jeffgoldblum I really appreciate your post, you’ve explained very clearly what I was trying to say. I was beginning to think I was posting in a different language!

You categorically said “Harry didn’t say that”. Whatever else he claims about the reasons for the tears, the fact remains that he did, indeed, say that staff were in tears. Given that there have been repeated rumours that there has been bullying going on, both here and since the Sussexes moved to the US, and given that William felt the need to split the two households amidst rumours of Meghan’s bad behaviour, it would seem that on the balance of probabilities, the reason for the tears was not anything to do with “constant enquiries from the press”

From what I remember, Harry seemed to say that the staff were picking up on issues between him and Meghan, and William and Kate. I’m sure he said staff were picking sides, arguing with each other and they were working long hours which resulted in staff being upset. I’d have to go back and look to get the exact wording though. He said Meghan was kind to the staff, even sent them gifts when they were upset….i think, but again I’d have to go back and re read. I do know that he definitely said William blamed Meghan for it all so goodness knows what the truth is. It sounds like it was a terrible environment for the staff to work in,

Context matters. Harry explains in Spare that staff stress was misrepresented by the press, not caused by Meghan, but internal strefull dynamics with other houses and press, the narrative was used in smear campaign , but they were prevented to explain what was truly going on. Cherry-picking lines out of context, twisting it expecting people to not being able to read is disingenuos and ignores the hate campaign behind those stories, which is what your sources are repeating.

Not at all! , I thought your post was well thought out and expressed very clearly!
if anything I feel you were more sympathetic to Meghan than many people would have been, however it seems it was either lost in translation or deliberately misunderstood so others could pick out particular parts to attack you. 🤷‍♀️

Yes, it was very clear. She used Clarkson, a known misogynist and racist to make her point. It’s very telling.

Do elaborate clearly! Exactly how she used clarkson to make her point?
and I mean a real explanation not some school girl comment that sounds like ….I don’t like it …so there!

Can you please stop using insults like ‘school girl comment’ and remain civil. if you feel you are right, you shouldn’t need to derail the thread with insults and should be able to discuss like adults.

Read their comments, they have already explained that they feel Clarkson was expressing the sentiment of many. Choosing to use him as an expression of the sentiment indicates validation of his views and comments. There are many other ways to criticise Meghan and her actions without trying to justify Jeremy Clarkson. There is no place for him and his views in reasonable debate.

Just a small detail, I’m not the one who introduced Jeremy Clarkson into the debate. That was ChatHeeBeeGez6298 to whom I was responding. Maybe take it up with her.

I know you weren’t, but you did try to justify his behaviour because poor little lamb Jeremy was just so exasperated and apparently just used ‘colourful language’ to say what the rest of us were thinking. It’s minimising what he said by calling it colourful. It was misogynistic towards a female mixed race woman, from a man who has shown himself multiple times to be misogynistic and racist. To try to explain it away, as you did, is justifying and minimising the abhorrent comments he made.

I don’t like some people due to their behaviours that are not illegal but possibly immoral/unethical, I will say I don’t like their views and their actions, but there is no way that I would ever justify, in any way, those types of comments towards them. There is no place for comments like his in reasonable debate.

He expressed ‘exasperation’?

No that wasn’t exasperation. He expressed rage. He said he hated her with every fibre of his being and laid awake at night fantasising about punishing her. It wasn’t exasperation, it was violence.

And a female editor thought it was printable - and published it in a national newspaper.

It was one of the most disturbingly graphic things I’ve ever read in a newspaper. The misogyny - unhidden. It was actually what made me realize how deep the unhinged hatred is of Meghan Markle by some.

If I was Meghan I would have been too frightened to leave my house after seeing that in a national newspaper. I certainly wouldn’t be coming back to the country it originated from.

No wonder Harry wants armed security in order to bring his wife and children here.

I didn’t justify anything. If you read my post I was responding to the claim that JC and PW led the charge against MM. I said they didn’t, they were expressing what people were feeling, which was exasperation.

If you think that JC actually hates MM you really have missed the point. He’s a disrupter by nature. He said a stupid thing for effect and then realised he’d gone much too far and took it back. I’m not an apologist for JC, I couldn’t care less what he says or thinks about MM. But I’m not so stupid that I take seriously what he said to elicit a response from the easily inflamed.

Is there a limit on the number of people who can be called a bully at any particular time?
It is possible for two people to be bullies.

It was really shocking. I was actually relieved when I saw it discussed on the AIBU, feminism board etc on here and that the vast majority thought it was shocking and disgusting. There were some trying to justify and minimise his comments back then as well though which was disappointing. I know many people here dislike Meghan but I am shocked all over again to read anyone here defending Clarkson's comments in any way. However you look at them, they’re just wrong.

‘Colourful language’ is now ‘he said a stupid thing’. You are minimising. It wasn’t stupid, he knew what he was doing and his comments were misogynistic. If there was no backlash and no fear of losing his job, I don’t think he would have made his insincere apology. Do you really think his feelings changed in a matter of hours? No decent man would ever have thought or written those things, EVER!.

I don’t think he expressed his true feelings. I don’t believe he cares one whit about Meghan Markle. He’s a wind up merchant. You are the proof that it works.

I don’t like misogyny and those that minimise it. People were horrified by it on the whole, thankfully. I’m not ashamed to say I was and that I’m still shocked when people like you justify and minimise it. It’s not a case of being wound up, it’s about saying this sort of thing will not be tolerated. I’d rather think like me and hold my views than yours.

So, if he’d written the same column only it was Catherine or Beatrice or Eugenie he wrote about instead of Meghan you would think it was just a ‘wind up’ from a ‘wind up’ merchant?

And, how do you think the Wales would respond to the column?

Harry lies multiple times, why do you believe him?!wghan is a bully, they lost staff in the UK and US, consistent losses after short term employment

That was the first time I have actually used the comment “ school girl “ so that’s an exaggeration, also you term it an “insult “ , yet far worse comments have been made without you picking them up .
I am always “civil “ thankyou , even in the face of extreme provocation.
as I’m sure you would have noticed before making your initial comment it wasn’t that poster who initially brought up clarkson , it was the poster she was replying too.
now please explain without being sarcastic .

Don’t be ridiculous, Harry and Megain want IPP status for prestige, entitlement, power and money only - they use the kids as leverage, oh dear we can’t being the children and megs fo the UK as we don’t get security’ … yes you do, it’s just you want security on your terms and you’re not getting it … we don’t care about the kids or Megan coming to the UK, but they’re denying their kids access to their wider families … the people they’re actually hurting … surprise … their children

It’s very clear that a discussion will never really be possible until those who defend Meghan and Harry except that they are not beyond criticism, not beyond being held accountable for their own behaviour.
that they are not infallible.

Don’t be ridiculous

Wtf is with the insults on this thread. ? Do you talk to people in real life like this when their opinions differs from yours?

That’s not an insult, it’s just pointing out that it’s ridiculous to suggest the UK isn’t safe for megs and the kids .. that’s a ridiculous statement