Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

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I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

What Jeremy clarkson said was misogynistic but not sexual, I’m assuming that you are not aware that it was a punishment scene from game of thrones ( that wasn’t sexual at all and more about shame and atonement) , this was a very popular programme at the time and obviously he watched it.
should he have said it about Meghan? No
to correlate an old man’s tasteless quip about a tv programme with Andrews sexual abuse is an extreme stretch at most .

Ok, just do a bullet point list then so we can see what these things are

@Fairgamer … ok, I get it, you don’t understand critical thinking, you read things word for word and can’t infer the reason behind the comment - JC is too vulgar to express himself without misogyny, but behind the words he’s effectively saying she’s been abysmal in her behaviour and should pay for it … of course normal
people don’t agree with the words he says but the fact she’s upset a lot of people is real. I hope that helps

Your argument has several issues. First, dismissing my concern as not understanding critical thinking 🙄 is ad-hominem and avoids engaging with the content. Second, framing misogynistic language as merely 'vulgar but justified' normalizes mysoginy and ignores its harm. Third, shifting focus from the words to the fact that some people like you, are upset, unfairly blames Meghan rather than holding critics accountable for their own behavior.

Just because someone expresses frustration doesn’t justify misogyny, threats, or wishing them harm. Your mindset saying she should pay, implies that upsetting people excuses abuse, which is a flawed moral leap. Intent isn’t the same as ethics, the fact that he even put it on paper this unacceptable, and your inference ignores the harm caused by those words.

@Fairgamer… yeah - you don’t understand, you carry on defending the school bully

Fair, but let's remember that Clarkson was only brought up because a poster claimed that what he and Morgan said reflects what people talk about in private, a point I and others strongly rebutted. Even among critics of Meghan or the royal family, I’ve never seen anyone express fantasies or extreme ideas at the level of Clarkson or Piers Morgan. There are plenty of responsible journalists who critique the royals, yet these two were singled out to justify the kind of bullying Meghan faces in forums, as if it reflects everyone’s mindset, which it clearly does not.

And, even if Clarkson referenced a GOT scene, that doesn’t excuse sexualized misogyny. He explicitly imagined a woman, Meghan, being exposed naked as punishment. Meghan wasn’t living in the UK at the time, she isn’t a ruler, much less a tyrant who commited incest or killed innocents, and her personality and flaws is nothing like Cersei’s. The analogy is disproportionate and 100% illogical.
that imagery projects a naked, lynched woman onto a real person, which crosses the line to a dehumanizing sexualized attack. Defending as just a show scene miss the seriousness of that kind of rhetoric. Plus, there's also other bizarreness in that article like comparing her to a gross torturer, which says a lot of people who justify it and find it normal. I still question in what kind of private house that's normal, because if I lived in a good bubble I need to prepared to identify and avoid people like that.

Are you saying Meghan expressed frustration ? Is that it ?

Funny, calling Meghan a bully ignores the real bullies: those spreading harmful fantasies and misogyny. What about Andrew ?

Not sure the many staff in both sides of the Atlantic would agree with you regarding Meghan being a bully .
Andrew is a horrible person; i can’t think of anyone who would disagree.

He imagined a woman because it was a punishment inflicted on a woman, a punishment for a woman who had lied , bullied and hurt a lot of people. Sometimes things are really as simple as they are!
did he really think or actually believe that this would ever happen? No of course not .
at least he didn’t go for the other worse punishments …beheading and on a spike ….being burnt alive….forcibly castrated ! None of those were sex specific so at least it wouldn’t have been sexist!
you also know that the poster was saying people agreed with the sentiment not the actual words but you wanted a reason to attack.
people use similes and adjectives to describe what they are saying, surely you know this?
it’s like her saying this forum was like a chat around the table! , that was a descriptor , anyone would realise that she didn’t mean people were actually having conversations around actual tables!
people need to stop jumping to conclusions based on the fact they don’t understand what others are saying, you can disagree but not if you don’t know what your disagreeing with.

Oh by the way … there was no lynching ! So I’m not sure where that came from… she was made to walk naked through town while aggrieved peasants threw rotted vegetables and shit at her while a nun walked behind shouting shame ! , she then returned home , no extra violence, no execution.

Yeah … suggesting Meghan isn’t a bully is just bizarre … I agree JC and AMW are bullies, (amongst other things) but so is she (also amongst other things)

Funny how accusations of her being a bully never stuck and were archived for lack of evidence, happened during Jason Knauf directed smear campaign. If it was true and there was proof, the media and royal family aka William would have feasted on it. Keep projecting, though, it reveals your mindset and bias.

And the American reports? Published in the likes of Hollywood Reporter etc that have actual whistleblowers. These were separate and after they left the U.K., what do you say about those?

That was not the reason they weren’t published ; it was to protect staff . Harry himself said staff were crying at their desks !
If Meghan had been exonerated, I am pretty sure she and H would have demanded it be released.
However I am pretty sure it will be leaked at some point.

@Fairgamer i detest bullies . I am retired but I still remember the horrendous bullying I received from a colleague at work .
Dreadful experience.

Me too @Mylovelygreendress! Sometimes when there is so much smoke, you have to leave the house because obviously your house is on fire! 🔥

I think you’re missing the meaning of assault and the context of a lynch mob mindset. What Meghan did in no way equals that. Even in history, scenes like that were extremely rare, so fantasizing about it, even for a public figure, is disturbing. Would you find it acceptable if someone made an article about throwing rotten stuff at the current rulers Charles, William, or Camilla while they walk naked?

This kind of mindset can inspire people to act against the royal family, the current ruler class, like Cersei exact position. A man was caged simply for throwing eggs at Charles, because, if you don't understand, that’s physical harm, assault. Imagine if someone decided to take revenge on Catherine or William in the same way. There are enough weak-minded people in the world for that to be dangerous. This isn’t about personal opinion; it’s about understanding the nature of violence and public shaming. Perhaps you lack the knowledge or enough information to fully grasp this, but it’s important to clarify instead of spreading ignorance.

Harry didn't say that, but again I you believe every bad bizarre conspiracy and fake news and negative clickbailt about them, without any critical sense. And while that, you don't save that hatred towards factual faces about Andrew and the royal family that enabled and protected pedophiles. I'm done with you and your enabling mindset.

For goodness’ sake, I did not say people talked like Jeremy Clarkson and fantasised about her public humiliation in private! I said he expressed a sentiment towards Meghan Markle that other people shared, that sentiment being exasperation. I do hope you understand this because I’m not explaining something so blindingly obvious again.

I thought Harry’s comment about staff crying at their desks was in “Spare” 🤔

See below . Other sources available
www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719541/prince-harry-spare-book-royal-family-aides-tears-kate-william/amp

No im missing nothing, I know you are deliberately exaggerating for extreme outrage and hysteria.

And the Express confirms that what you said of her being a bully was a rumour and the lies, of the reasons they left, that the press twisted what was going behind scenes and they couldn't explain because stiff lips don't explain 'rules'.

Also it's interesting that you continue with Meghan attacks to justify your hate, while not addressing the topic as for why not the same vitriol for Andrew. Instead you double down on reasons to hate her, most of that based on mysoginy and unfounded hate based on rumours and twisted news.

First we’re talking about Megain, now Andy. Second, there’s a lot of evidence about bullying … even though they have their NDA’s in place - Sussex survivors club
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